Exploring Quantum Computing and AI

Welcome to Battle Buddy Podcast! In this episode, Marine Corps Veteran Jesse Wunderlich joins us for an insightful discussion on personal finance, emerging technologies, and mindset.

Jesse shares how personal finance had a profound impact on his life, setting him up for success in creating his current businesses. He emphasizes the importance of financial literacy and planning for a secure future.

We delve into the fascinating world of quantum physics and computing, exploring how technology is advancing at a rapid pace. Jesse highlights the need for businesses to assess their current standing and adapt to emerging technological trends, such as AI, in order to stay ahead in today's competitive landscape.

Furthermore, Jesse sheds light on the practical applications of AI tools, like ChatGPT, in leveraging time and enhancing effectiveness within businesses. He discusses how AI can revolutionize various aspects of business operations.

Mindset plays a crucial role in navigating the modern world, and Jesse shares valuable insights on decluttering the mind from the constant stimuli imposed by social media and the surrounding environment. He offers strategies for maintaining focus and mental clarity.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in personal finance, emerging technologies, and developing a resilient mindset in an ever-evolving digital landscape. Tune in now to hear from Marine Corps Veteran Jesse Wunderlich and gain valuable insights that can help you thrive in both your personal and professional life.

In This Episode We Cover:

• Impact of personal finance on setting up his life and business

• Quantum physics and computing and the rapid pace of technological advances

• Knowing where your business stands in order to know where to take it

• Leveraging AI with tools such as ChatGPT

• Mindsets discussion on quieting the noise that the various stimulus's in our world constantly impress upon us.

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Transcript from Episode 111 with Jesse Wunderlich:

Keith McKeever 0:01

Hey, welcome back to another episode of the battle buddy podcast, I got a great guest up today, we're gonna talk a little bit about a little bit about personal finance. This guest is a battle buddy of a past guest Conrad Cortez, who I had on just a few months ago. If you remember, he was an author of an amazing book about personal finance. I guess a Jesse served with him. So we're going to learn a little bit about how, what Jessie learned from him. But we're also going to learn about Jesse's business, and leveraging. So cool little tools. If you're paying attention to when this comes out, or after you're probably already heard of it. But things like AI and some other cool tech out there. So first time, I've actually I think talk really talked about this or did a deep dive on it. So without further ado, we'll dive right into it. Welcome to the battle buddy podcast with Keith McKeever. So welcome to the podcast, Jesse.

Jesse Wunderlich 0:52

Hey, thanks for having me.

Keith McKeever 0:53

Yeah. Well, pleasure to have you on here. So first and foremost, just give us a little rundown of of your of your story. You know who, who was little Jesse, how'd you end up in the in the Marine Corps? Would you do those kind of things?

Jesse Wunderlich 1:06

Well, yeah, for sure. So yeah, my name is Jesse Wonderlic. I have a little childhood, that's kind of a little crazier than most people, I guess, my, from what I understand my father was a professional tax evasion est. And so we kind of moved state to state quite a bit when I was a kid. So something like a social life wasn't something that I really had. But family is huge for me, because that's what I had grown up. So yeah, growing up, moving all over the place. By the time I had settled down and whatnot, it was, you know, time to graduate and college was honestly, you know, kind of different from what most people think. But I was scared to go to college. So I joined the military. I was never a, you know, a test taker or homework Doer type of guy. Yeah, it just probably wasn't the right time in my life. Unfortunately, I think that's one of the failures of our education system is we kind of forced everybody to figure out what the heck they want to do with the rest of their life when they're 18 years old. So yeah, it was a good, good little deal I got out of that got out of high school, went straight into the Marine Corps. Did my five years and then like you said, that's where I met Conrad, learned the hard way about personal finance, because I was just like any other guy was the poster child for horrible financial decisions when I got into the Marine Corps, because it was the first time I had actually seen, you know, a fairly decent paycheck from what I was aware of at the time, every two weeks, you know,

Keith McKeever 2:30

it's like everybody right? The first time you have actual money in your hand other than like a $5 bill standing at the the radio station buying a Coke, right? You know,

Jesse Wunderlich 2:38

Exactly, yep. So you know, the money would come in, and then the money would just disappear right away. And you can ask Conrad about that. I'm sure. I asked him quite a few times to spot me money for a haircut. Because, you know, in the Marine Corps, we got to get one every damn week. So it was, yeah, it was, but it was good. I mean, I'm definitely glad I did it. And, yeah, it's it's led to a lot of opportunities in my life, and just having them, you know, being taught them the mental, just all the mental stuff to you know, like leadership and just dealing with things on a day to day basis is a lot easier, because, you know, it's just easy to brush this stuff off, that doesn't really matter anymore, you know?

Keith McKeever 3:15

Absolutely. Well, you know, yeah, that it is. So it would serve Him with Conrad. I'm just kind of curious, you know, how much was he kind of nerding out on the personal finance back then?

Jesse Wunderlich 3:28

You know, um, when we were younger, I guess, we both kind of had that interest in the personal finance. I don't know as much about his original story, I suppose. I don't know why exactly. He got into personal finance. At the time, it was kind of just

Keith McKeever 3:44

like, Sure, you're gonna have to go back and listen to his episode.

Jesse Wunderlich 3:49

actually did listen to that. So I probably shouldn't know. But you know, the little the old brain bank doesn't work as good as it used to. But yeah,

Keith McKeever 3:54

not I joke all the time. I don't remember last week, so. That's good. I know what you're talking about.

Jesse Wunderlich 4:00

Yeah. But, um, I mean, we clearly picked it up pretty well, because him and I are, we're, you know, we just when we see an opportunity, we'd like to take it. So that's that's kind of where we're at?

Keith McKeever 4:10

Absolutely. Well, you know, clearly, you know, the lessons have the lessons of work, you've picked up a few things. So how much did you know those kinds of lessons and what what you picked up there? How much did that transition to you starting your own business, you know, what was that path like?

Jesse Wunderlich 4:29

Well, so you know, I think it obviously all does start with finance, I believe so when I like I told you before when I was in right off the bat just went into debt basically as much as I could, you know, whoever would give me whatever because right off right off the base. Anybody will give you anything for a certain percentage, you know, I mean,

Keith McKeever 4:48

think about how many Gosh, advertisements for the star card. Yep. Shove that in your face. So

Jesse Wunderlich 4:57

I got that one in Pensacola, which was my sea school. So before I even got to the fleet I was already looking at

Keith McKeever 5:03

is like, here, you got bad credit.

Jesse Wunderlich 5:06

Exactly. So I mean, but that's the way it works. And it is it is a pretty predatory type of deal, you know, because it's like you can't take for one most high schools in America, they give you they throw you a personal finance class or two, maybe while you're in high school, but they don't really hammer at home. And a lot of parents are the same way. Because I mean, what I think I heard a statistic the other day that said, if you had 10 bucks and no debt, you're richer than a good, like the larger portion of Americans, you know, and that's just the way it goes. Because you jump into this adult life, not being taught what you need to be taught. And it's just, it's a horrible thing, you know, everybody is set up for failure. And so luckily, I credit the military to my, you know, if you consider success, I suppose I like to say I'm doing a little bit more decent than where I should be, I suppose, as the average, but you jump into the military, and it's just, I don't know, you just you just learn all that stuff, you know, like you learn, like leadership, for example, and you kind of learn how to manage and, I mean, I jumped in debt right away. And there was, you know, if I didn't have a guaranteed paycheck, I don't know where the heck I'd be right now. You know, so it was a good thing. And I mean, I took I took a year or two. And I just, I mean, I just grinded, I just, I ate at the chow hall. I didn't go anywhere, you know, I just I tried to sit as best I could and pay off as much as I possibly could. I sold off all the, you know, all the stuff that I had bought, tried to get as much money back as I could slowly start chipping away at the credit card debt. But the thing here is, the whole time I was doing this. I was researching, you know, I was going on the internet, like what's the best way to pay down debt? What's the best way to make money? What's the best way to make money make money? You know, like it's all about, it's all about where you park it for the most part. And I found out real quick that just sitting things in a big like, like a checking account, for example, or even a savings account. A lot of things counts nowadays have really good rates. But it's still like, I mean, you got to you got to understand that you got to put things other places, then have it as a liquid asset, because you got to have your money work for you, or you're never going to get out of the vicious cycle that is, you know, is the new American dream. So you got to, yeah, it's a tough one. I mean, you'll learn as you go. And I mean, the internet is a very powerful resource, if you know how to navigate it. I say if you know how to navigate it, because there are a lot of people out there who like to spit some crazy mumbo jumbo that will get you into big, big trouble, you know. So you got to find the right stuff and follow it. There's basics, just easy, basic stuff, and you build yourself a foundation, and then you just skyrocket from there. That's the way to do it.

Keith McKeever 7:47

I like the way you put that, because there's a lot of I don't want to work this. There's a lot of gurus.

Jesse Wunderlich 7:55

Yes, you know, gurus get rich quick everywhere. And I'm telling you right now, you're not going to get rich quick, because the statistics show that it's like a one in a very, very large number amount of people that actually get rich quick.

Keith McKeever 8:12

You can look at it like this. Would you much rather live in a house or a building that's built in one day? To has to withstand a hurricane? Or would you much rather live in the pyramids? The pyramids are taking a lot longer to build in a day. Yeah. Yeah, you know, my, my point is like, it took so long to build those. It took so many people there were so well built. Yeah. You know, what are like the old saying Rome wasn't built in a day, right? Yeah, I saw something. I think was Facebook the other day? Or maybe was the website somewhere that there is still a bridge in Greece? I think it is. That's like 3000 years old. And there's still cars that drive over it. Yeah, it's a little bridge. And I'm like, what? Seriously? Like, and I was like, Well, okay, I guess I guess I'm not surprised. Yes, surprise, but I'm not surprised.

Jesse Wunderlich 9:09

Yeah, there's some sort of thing out there. I haven't read too much into it. But there's a lot of places that try to make things, you know, they don't last as long for a reason. Now, you know, like, everybody's out for profit and all this kind of stuff. And I mean, it goes, it's, I suppose I should put in there too, that a lot of the times it is like the more efficient stuff. Like technically, the more efficient something is, the less time that actually is good. You know, that's just the way it works. We're not at the point yet where we get all these good, renewable, sustainable technologies that last a very long time. You know, we're just not there yet. So, but yeah, everybody is still definitely for profit. So you got it. Yeah. Well again, and make sure you stay or keep up. Yeah,

Keith McKeever 9:52

I mean, I see that, you know, in my career, I'm in real estate. I still see every now and then I still see Have you know furnaces that are still like pink or green? or yellow? And people will be like, Wow, is that old? I'm like, oh, yeah, those are old. I mean, those are like 5060 years old. I said, I bet that thing is still trucking along. Oh, yeah, I think might go out next week, I think might still also go for 20 more years. Who knows? I mean, those things were just depth just built the last. Yep, sure. You still see fridges and stoves from the 80s. Like, they still work, like they're not even worn out.

Jesse Wunderlich 10:33

Now, you know, back in the day, everybody could make these giant like these just solid machines that lasted forever, you know, but now it's just, you know, we hit a billion the other day, I don't think a lot of people know that. But we're not at 7 billion on the planet anymore. Like we've got there's 8 billion plus humans on this planet now. You know. So there's, there's a lot of people with a limited amount of resources. And granted, there's a lot of people who think that, you know, we might run out at some point, but I like to remain optimistic. And a lot of the bigger guys are saying, yeah, we've got resources for quite some time, you know, so I don't know, us as the general population, I'm a big believer in the fact that we won't know a lot of the truth for you know, so I just kind of like to, I like to keep my circle close and do what I can, for the people that I care about. You know, that's my big thing. Because if you go too much further out of that this is a big world, and you can get lost in it real quick. That's why I live in the Midwest, because I mean, I live in a small town of 1400 people, you know, and that's even big for me, because I'm used to live in even smaller, but, I mean, it's so quiet, there's nobody around, you know, that's that's my type of thing, because then I just have my friends and my family and I love it.

Keith McKeever 11:43

Yeah, you know, you make one good point, like, you don't know what the future holds? We don't? Yeah, we don't know about these resources. Will they run out? Yeah, probably, possibly. If we keep ruining our planet, I will write too far down that rabbit hole. But it's, it's not going to happen in our lifetime. So should we do something about it? Probably?

Jesse Wunderlich 12:08

Well, here's one thing that I like to think about, right? If, if the world I mean, the sun, right? For it, not to get too crazy and scientific, but the sun itself, I think in like another, what is it 900 million years or something like that the sun is going to become too large, and it's going to boil the earth. You know, that's just the way it works, because that's how that's how we track these type of things in like astrophysics and stuff like that. So I mean, we've got a little bit of time, you know, if we can get our resources pooled, but you know, who the heck knows what's going to happen. But there's a lot bigger issues and a lot more long term issues that we've got to figure out to hold on.

Keith McKeever 12:43

We still don't even know what happened. In the past. I just watched a Netflix documentary the other day about some cave in Africa, where they found some other homo species was like 250,000 years old, and then they found cave cave etchings in there. And then they found that was the oldest recording any kind of almost species, or genus, whatever, that buried its own. And I was just watching it. I was like, This is crazy. You know, this is just 250,000 years ago. And Earth's been around for how long? Right? You know, and it's like, it's, it's mind boggling. And we haven't even been all the way down to the bottom of every part of the ocean. So yeah, but, you know, technology and technology advances, you know, who knows what the future future holds? But I don't, I don't think I don't think it'll advance to the point where we start living 200 years or 1000 years, our selves our bodies won't do that. I don't think but

Jesse Wunderlich 13:39

you never know, you should check out. There's a lot of new research in anti aging and whatnot. That's, that's pretty scary to some people actually.

Keith McKeever 13:47

See, I don't know if I want to live that long, personally.

Jesse Wunderlich 13:50

Well, that's just that. I mean, you never know, because the future could be just as scary as we think it is gonna be, you know, heavenly basically. So

Keith McKeever 14:00

what's kind of scary to think about where technology has come from to like, right. You know, I know that's one of the things I wanted to talk about here was was technology, but I think sort of, you have to realize where you're at, and where you've come from. And I've thought about that a lot. I've lost all my grandparents now. But if you stop and think about, like, is veterans, right, let's think think about our world war two generation of vets that are still out there to the handful of guys that are still with us. What did they see in their lifetime? Right? I mean, these guys were born 100 years ago. They were born on farms with no technology. Right? I mean, look at what cars were like back then they've they've they've gone through their lives have gone through the Depression and World War Two and the 50s and putting a man on the moon and computers and the internet. And here we are. With a new age with artificial intelligence. Yeah,

Jesse Wunderlich 14:57

well that yeah, in 100 years. The the A Oh yeah. See the the artificial intelligence is kind of a different beast entirely right? Because as far as we know so far like we have all these artificial they're called narrow intelligences, right like you've got your Alexa your Siri like anything that you can think of that has something to do with technology most likely has some sort of narrow intelligence associated with it right? So the big thing here, the reason that it's getting so crazy right now is because we are making big leaps in terms of like getting closer to what's called a general intelligence. And that's basically where it starts learning for itself. Right? That gets scared. Right? Right. Well, it's, people misunderstand it a lot, because they've seen the Terminator movies, right. And that is a possible outcome. Of course, that's, you know, it doesn't defy the laws of physics. And technically, anything that doesn't defy the laws of physics can happen and will happen somewhere, right. But it's AI has to operate by it still has to operate by its programming. You know, as far as we know, now, we have never dealt with a sentient artificial intelligence. But then again, people like to say like, it's not the consciousness, we're scared of right? Because we still don't understand consciousness itself. It's the intelligence, there are two separate things. Intelligence, I mean, it doesn't need a consciousness to run, right? intelligence can just it can gather information. And this is a data driven world. But you think of something like a general intelligence, right, they call that humanity's last invention. Okay? They call it that for a very good reason. Because if you get a powerful enough general intelligence, this thing will be able to compile every piece of data that we have ever created in the history of humanity, right? Every single piece of that, and it's just one single brain, basically, think of it as one brain that's cross referencing every data point that we have ever created for entirely, you know. So it's just I mean, and it's moving at the speed of computers. And we've got the next generation of computers coming down the line called quantum computers, that are basically the most efficient computers that you can physically build, because they're working off of atomic structures. You know, it's wood, that stuff is just insane, because it's, it's such an exponential leap forward and processing power. That, I mean, you combine that with some sort of really in depth, artificial general intelligence, and you'll have a super intelligence in no time. There's microchips that are being theorized now, right microchips, quantum microchips that can do nine years worth of a room size supercomputer computation in milliseconds. You know, that's, that's just that's mind blowing. Because in today's day and age, like, my laptop that I'm on, for example, that used to be a room size computer, you know,

Keith McKeever 17:52

I was just thinking like, back to the 50s, or 60s When I was first computers. I was trying to put that in my mind of like, okay, that's like from that to what we have in our hands in a cell phone right now. Right. And that leads over that 6070 year period. You're talking about from the computer chips we have in our phone right now. Right, that chip to another chip? That leap right now. Yeah.

Jesse Wunderlich 18:15

Yeah. So it's, I mean, it's just it's mind boggling. Because I mean, just just to give you just to give you a little like, a little, I mean, it's hard to explain this stuff in simple terms, right. But a quantum computer, every computer works off of bits, right. And a quantum computer works off of qubits, right. So basically, every time you add a qubit, you double the processing power of that, that computer. Okay, so that's insane. Because every time you add a bit to a computer, a conventional computer, it's only another bit, but a qubit, just because of how it works. And that's that's all that's why don't and that's probably a topic for another time, because that gets into like quantum superposition and stuff like that. That's some pretty deep stuff, right? But every time you add a single qubit, so let's say you have, IBM and Google are working with a place called the Chicago quantum exchange right now. It's a bunch of different universities that are trying and their goal is by 2033, to come out with the first 100,000 qubit quantum computer. Okay, so that in itself, it's okay, so it's two to the power of however many bits, that's how powerful a quantum computer is. Okay, so if you have a 64 bit computer, the if you put 64 cubits over here, that's two to the power 64 In terms of regular Bit Power, you kind of follow me here.

Keith McKeever 19:36

We're talking massive numbers, right? Yeah. So insanely massive,

Jesse Wunderlich 19:40

right? But the crazy thing here is like if you had one qubit like you turn that 100,000 qubit quantum computer into 100,001 qubit quantum computer, that is now twice the processing power. So it's just like it doubles every single time you add cubed, you know, so that's that just in itself, like, our minds weren't developed, like we didn't evolve to think that kind of those kinds of numbers. Like we can't we can't evolve on that type of scale, just doubling every single time like that's, and then again, to add an artificial intelligence, that's why it's just so

Keith McKeever 20:20

my brain just went back to those people in the cave making stone tools 250,000 years ago,

Jesse Wunderlich 20:25

right? Yep. Well, like you said, I mean, the earth, the earth itself, right? Currently, we think the universe has been around 13 point 8 billion years, right? billion is a big enough number for us to even like, we can't even really scale a billion, you know, like, what is a billion? What can I look at, to really get a sense for what a billion is? And then you go to the earth, which is younger than the universe, obviously, 4.6 billion years, I think we're at. And then we're looking at, I mean, you know, like humanity, 250,000 generations, right? Not yours generation. So that generation is probably around like, 70, whatever, you know, 70 years, on average, depending upon who you ask. The industrial revolution happened less than 50 generations ago. And that was when Sutler that was when the real industry of the science started picking up. So we've been around for that long, right? dependent upon what you believe, obviously, you know, everybody has a right to believe what they want, but you get, you get to that point, you know, 250 down to 50. And we're already where we're at, you know, like video games, for example, Pong was like, Pong was the first video game 4050 years ago. You remember, like, you know what Pong is? You just move that thing around and the ball comes, it bounces? I mean, have you seen Unreal Engine five? The new game engine,

Keith McKeever 21:43

but I haven't I have not seen any examples of it yet.

Jesse Wunderlich 21:46

That's, I mean, it's borderline realism. You know, like, you look at it, and you're like, This is scary, because this looks like it's real life.

Keith McKeever 21:54

Which is weird, because it seems like every generation before that, it almost seems like it is right. But even if I play like, my kids are playing Madden on my ps4, sometimes I look at it and it's like, hey, you know, gosh, this even almost looks real sometimes. Right? Like from a distance. Like if you just walk in the living room, like, we're other games, they play like, sometimes it's almost looks real. Yeah. Like, and it's just a ps4. I mean, I've had it for 10 years, like, right? Well, I

Jesse Wunderlich 22:21

mean, I love going back to you know, like, when Halo released their Master Chief Collection, I was just, I was in love, you know, because I was a halo guy growing up my whole life. And now you go back to that, right? You go back to Halo, and you're like, wow, like after playing some of the newer games and whatnot. You're like the graphics? Holy moly. Like, I didn't realize how much better graphics had gotten. But you are exactly right. Because I remember, I remember plugging in Halo Reach, for example, for the first time, right? And you go into this massive world. And it's just like you can see so far and all the detail and whatnot. You just think it's crazy, because this is like this is the pinnacle of of video games right now. And now you go back to reach and you're just like, These graphics are garbage. You know, app is small. zactly and it's just crazy. Getting to something like Minecraft. That's really easy graphically, right? But it generate it just continuously generates. So you've got this, I think you can go up to like the surface area of Jupiter, like on Minecraft or something like that. And it's like, nobody's ever gonna get to that size of map. That's ridiculous. But

Keith McKeever 23:28

wow, I didn't even know it was that big? Well, it just seems like it's a plan. And every now and then, too, but Yeah. Holy cow. I knew that was big. But why didn't it was that big?

Jesse Wunderlich 23:37

Right. Yeah, it's it's not so it'll just continue to render and continue to render because I mean, it's a beautiful game. I love Minecraft personal.

Keith McKeever 23:44

Yeah. Yeah, it's fast. I mean, here we are talking about crazy future stuff and video games. But you know, I want to bring this back to like, AI and in business, you know, because I've used it. I know you're using it. So how are you? How are you using? Ai? Okay, I think everybody's probably thinking of the same thing. I'll just, I'll just throw it out there chat. GPT I know, it's probably everybody's probably familiar with if you've heard of AI, if you haven't heard of AI? Go look up Chad GPT you've probably been living under a rock. Right? But you know, just kind of curious, like, how have you used it? And what kind of ways?

Jesse Wunderlich 24:22

So GPT is the bigger one right now, obviously, because that's like, it's basically the most powerful chat bot out there. Right. So everybody gets all crazy and whatnot. And they think that this is another step toward artificial general intelligence. But really what GPT is, is it's just, it doesn't actually understand what it's outputting it just puts pushes out words based on a ranking system mostly done by humans that are training it right. But you go in so business wise, right. I love Chad GPT for the for just writing up anything like you know I've got I told you about my wonderful supplements I sell. I have a nutritional supplement brand called wonderful allows you I go on there I want to look for like a description, a product description, right? I can go on chat GPT I can tell it like, Hey, I would like a you know, write me a product description for a branched chain amino acid products from a company called wonder fit labs, right? And it will generate just a beautiful like, honestly, if you go onto my website, wonder fit labs.com You go on there, all of those descriptions are generated with Chad GBT, you just kind of got to go back and make sure that it fits your specific product, you know, because obviously, my supplements are different than someone else's supplements. That's a great,

Keith McKeever 25:37

great point to say. Proofread. Yes, just copy and paste.

Jesse Wunderlich 25:41

Oh, yeah, exactly. That's huge. But I mean, I've even gone as far as to put it up for legal documents, you know, like I and this is, you know, obviously, proofread, proofread, proofread, proofread. But I have I've made so I have a gym as well. Otter fitness, right otter fitness garage. That's the change in that I'm working on building as well. And I go on there for membership contracts and liability waivers. You know, when I first when I was first looking for a better one, I could go to a lawyer and I could pay him a whole bunch of money, you know, to draft me one up. But in all reality, if you just cross cross reference certain things with the internet, and don't get me wrong, I probably shouldn't be putting this out there because I'm not a lawyer. Right? So this is not legal advice. But it's great disclaimer, right? Disclaimer thinking. But it's, it's very, it's a pretty foolproof system, you know, if you if you go into Chad GPT, and you say, hey, you know, draft me up a liability waiver, and then you read through it, you say, okay, add this in here, add this in here or whatever, it's a pretty decent system. And it's fairly accurate in terms of what's going on right now. GPT is still only accurate up to 2021. But for most legal documentation, it's not really that big of a deal to lose out on the last two years, you know, but yeah, it's, it's powerful for really anything, I mean, a lot of people use it, you can, you can implement chat GPT into your customer service, for example, a lot of people are doing that to save a huge cost on employing customer service representatives. Because if you have a chatbot that you can train on your own, you know, on your own business, then it's super simple to just implement that on. And I don't know, if a lot of people, you know, a lot of people still call in, right, I used to be that way, I used to be big on calling in, like, if I had a problem with, you know, a credit card, or, you know, I'm being I call a financial places, because I'm always doing finance, right. But nowadays, I can go on and I can get jumped onto their virtual assistant or their chat bot, you know, whatever they call it dependent upon, which, you know, brand you're working with, but those chatbots are pretty damn decent at I mean, I've I've replaced most of them, you know, I've replaced most of my calls with just going online and finding finding up see if they have a chat bot. So if you're in a business or anything that has that utilizes any sort of customer service, which most most do, you know, you should really think about probably getting a chat bot into whether it be your website, or, you know, wherever it's, it's, that's a very powerful tool, because it is AI takes the place of humans, unfortunately, in a lot of different aspects. Not everything quite yet. And it'll probably be a long time before it's everything. But people really underestimate the power of exponential growth now, technology is growing faster than it ever was. And that's going to be that's going to be the same until we find the literal end of physics, you know, and that's still a ways away, right? But it's people just like I said, human brains aren't designed to understand this type of growth, right? We we're getting to the point where we are starting to break away from evolution. And we're starting to evolve ourselves, you know, like, so I don't mean to trail off from AI in business, but AI is, you know, too good to jump back AI is very important for business. And if you don't if you don't keep up with it, you're going to fall behind. That's that's just the sad

Keith McKeever 29:09

if you're not using it, this is this is your wake up call that you need to at least at least Google Chat GPT you need to get in there. There are I mean, there's a lot of ways you can you can use I did all the SEO, the descriptions, the titles, everything on both my websites, real estate and the podcast. I write all the descriptions for each one of the shows through there. Every YouTube video I do for anything is pretty much written with AI either vid IQ or chat GBT. I did a presentation the other day with another AI platform where I just went in there said hey, I need a presentation on this. Where it needs this in it. This this this this. I put bullet points on it. You know, here's what each slide has to have on it. All right, it's been out for it did the creative stuff for me to whatever that platform was, I've got in my bookmarks, but like, there's so many different, I didn't have to sit there and spend four hours creating a PowerPoint, it basically did it for me. I exported it from that program into a PowerPoint and and I made the tweaks where I wanted it. And in about an hour I was done, I saved myself for five hours.

Jesse Wunderlich 30:23

That's the other thing, you know, time, time. That's that's one thing that as of now we don't have a lot of right. And so if you're going to waste your time doing something that something like a free chat bot could do, then you deserve to, you know, you don't you don't deserve the, the life that you want, you know, you gotta, you have to think outside the box. And you have to like, if you really want to live the way that you know, your dream, not everybody's dream is to be rich and successful. You know, I got to put that out there first. But if you want to be, you know, in that in that sector, or whatever you got to, you got to make sure that you're delegating, right. That's another militarism, right? Delegation. That was one of the most important things for leadership and management. If you know how to delegate and run a run a tight ship, then that's a beautiful thing. And you can nowadays you have the power to delegate to a free generative AI, you know, for an end, like you said, What would have taken you like hours, the you know, it just takes a few minutes of proofreading and whatnot with a chatbot. And that's just the beginning, AI is going to change, it's just going to it's going to change everything, not just chatbots, it's going to change everything.

Keith McKeever 31:37

If you're if you're not. If you're not using it, you're gonna get left in the dust because your competitors are probably not using it. I know, you know, my industry. I know, I've got a lot of competitors that are using it. And I know I've gotten a lot that are not. Yep. So you, you have to be using it. And you have to be constantly trying to find other ways to use it. I mean, you could you could draft anything, you could just copy and paste something in there, say rewrite this. You could try the legal documents. I haven't tried that. blog articles. I mean, you can do just about anything. I mean, you name it. It can do just just about anything for you.

Jesse Wunderlich 32:16

Yep. Yeah, it's, I mean, like I said, it's humanity's last invention. Once we get to a general intelligence, there's no telling what's going to happen. But for now, it's it's simple enough that it's and I mean, it's another that's another thing, too, if you don't accept the change when it happens, I mean, in most cases, don't get me, you know, don't get me wrong, there's some change that is very bad, right. But if you don't accept change, that's that is, you know, synonymous with positive growth, then, I mean, it's your you're going to fall behind, you know, and it's harder, let me tell you, it is so much harder to get into it when it's been going on for a little bit than it is to get into it right away. I mean, if I struggle with this all the time, and I'm sure the rest of humanity definitely does, too, you know, but just sitting down and focusing in and getting what you need to do done. That's the thing, right? Everybody focuses on this giant picture. And it's like, there must be a million steps before I get to this point. Right. And it's like, what I try to do now more than anything, is focus on the small steps. Right, so you got to keep that big picture in your purview. But you got to focus on the small steps, because I think the thing that deters most people, is they see the amount of work that some of these things take, and they don't take it day by day, you know, they just sit there and they stress about how long it's going to take how whatever it's going to take. And then again, I know people have heard it 1000 times before, two years down the line four years down the line, 10 years down the line, you're still sitting there thinking, Oh, that's that's too much of a process, you know, and it's like, you know, if it was a two year process, for example, you could have been done years ago, you know, if you just if you just sat down and started doing it, and don't get me wrong, I mean, I'm a hypocrite when I say that, because there's plenty in my life, that I wish I would just sit down and get done, you know, but procrastination gets the best of us and it's scientific, your body's fight or flight literally, that that is what procrastination is. If you're stressing about something, then your brain naturally tries to avoid it. Because that's what it's evolved to do. You have to break that cycle. That's just the way like that's, that's science for you. You know, we know for a fact that that is the body's response to stress and fear. So if you're stressing about doing something, your body is not going to want to do it while your mind specifically but you just got to break it because that's just evolution telling you not to do what's going to better you in the long run.

Keith McKeever 34:48

That's a tough place to be though to try and overcome your mind.

Jesse Wunderlich 34:53

Yep, very true.

Keith McKeever 34:55

I I can't come up with any theories on how to do I mean, sometimes you just kind of sometimes you do. Sometimes you have to just will yourself to it, I guess. But yeah, you know, I mean,

Jesse Wunderlich 35:07

that's really, the only real way to do it is just to do it. You know, there's no I don't, I don't have any secrets or anything like that, you know, and like, and like I just said, I don't really, you know, most, procrastination still gets the best of me. So even if you're trying to put your head down and grind the work, it's, you know, it's still going to show up. But the good thing about us is we're teachable. Our minds are very, very beautiful things, right? And so if you can continue to overcome and overcome that procrastination, then it does get easier and easier. And every time I don't know if there's really a way to completely mitigate it. But yeah, for the most part, I mean, it's, we can learn, we can definitely learn anything.

Keith McKeever 35:51

That all goes hand in hand with philosophy I learned back in college few years ago called opportunity cost. Yep. You know, so like, you really don't want to do it and see your mind's like, yeah, okay, don't do it. And so the opportunity cost is you're looking at do I do this for my business? Or do I just sit on the couch and play video games? Right? Or do I go do something fun, whatever, whatever the case, whatever it is. And so you do that? Well, the cost is, you decided to go to have have fun, and not work and grind on your business and do the thing that you really needed to do. And so you didn't get it done? You procrastinated. And so guess what, tomorrow, you have to do it. Right? Definitely procrastination comes in, you get to the hour, and you're like, Alright, I got 30 minutes to get this done.

Jesse Wunderlich 36:32

And then the quality of work goes down, you know, it's, if you spread it out and do it, you know, just get it done little step by step, and just make sure you're doing the quality items as they come up, then, I mean, it's, it's fairly simple to stay on track, you know, a good a good couple of books as atomic habits and deep work. Those are the two, those are two that are really good, deep work really talks about how, especially in today's day and age, the people who have the power to focus on something, are leagues ahead of other people, because there is I mean, it's it's sad to say, but in the new in the new day and age with just the digitalization of everything, including entertainment, everybody's on the entertainment and entertainment craze, you know, people, I mean, you look around, and everybody's on their phone. And I mean, I'm guilty of this too, but you have to find a balance, you know, because you stay and you just look through, you scroll through all those whatever, all day long videos and whatnot. I mean, that's just that's valuable time that you're wasting on passive, you know, it's just passive. Dopamine pretty much, you know, and that's not, that's not what we're supposed to do. We're in it for the instant gratification now. And nobody knows anything about the long term. So if you have the power of focus, or the power to teach yourself to focus, which we all do, you need to put your head down and grind because you will be leagues ahead of everybody else.

Keith McKeever 37:56

I'm glad you went there, because that's something that, you know, I personally have been working really, really hard on for the last few months, because I've noticed that like about myself, you know, I've got you know, the wife and kids, I've got the business, I've got the podcast, you know, I've got all these things going on in my life, right? And then you've got all the other stuff, right? You got TV, got social media, all those things. And I've tried to sit back and examine be like, what are all these distractions, right? I only have 24 hours in a day, right? The doctor says, I need to sleep eight hours, I can tell you, I track my sleep, and I don't get anywhere near that. I'm trying, right, um, you know, but it's like, okay, I'm like a six or seven, you know, and then you got time to eat and you got chores around the house. So you certainly start taking those things that you have to do, right that you do everyday you have to do that you start getting down to a certain amount of time that you have, you have to work and you know, and it's like, how much time am I wasting? You know, you get down to the point like, like news, right? Yep, I don't I don't watch any news, I will pull up like I'll pull up a random news website, like once a day, just to read. I don't even read the articles. Typically, I just scan the headlines. Yeah, just so I kind of have a general idea of what's going on. And it's all I care about. Gosh, like six months ago, I used to be on Tik Tok all the time, like late at night I'd lay there on tick tock or first thing in the morning. I don't even do that anymore. I like my social media. Like I don't really get on Facebook anymore. I try and keep Facebook closed down like just little things that I've tried to do to kind of rein in control of my time a little bit in my attention. And then I tried to kind of incorporate some some meditation every day and some quiet time. There you go. Yes, like alright, everything off. Like I don't want to distractions, shut my brain off. Literally quiet time and then for the meditation to just kind of reflect on my day in just be able to process things, right, like in my head without the external voices, you know, being flung at you from literally direction that they are these days.

Jesse Wunderlich 40:13

Yeah. And it's tough. I don't know. I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of people out there like me, you might even be like this yourself. But it's, even when I even when I shut everything down, my brain is so used to doing things, you know that it is so hard for me to focus even when I don't have distractions, because I'm in my head again, you know? And it's like, what's the what do I need to be doing? Like, it just seems like I always have to have something that I need to complete, you know. And so it's just, I've been really working recently on. Andrew Huberman is a good guy to, he's a good guy to listen to, because he kind of he takes the science into different things like focus, for example. And focus is very important, obviously. But yeah, he. Where was I going with that? No?

Focus? Yeah, nope, sorry.

Keith McKeever 41:10

Well, that's about right.

Jesse Wunderlich 41:12

Focus. Exactly. That's what I'm talking about. I get in my head. And it just kind of shoots out the shoots off the side or whatever. But for some reason, but Andrew Huberman is still pretty, pretty decent to listen to. But

Keith McKeever 41:24

at least it's a perfect example of, you know, everything that we go through these days. Yeah, is a crazy world. And that just ties back everything we're talking about earlier. Right, being right speeded how everything advances. Yeah, you know, AI and technology and social media always changes. There's always a new platform coming out. There's always some little new bell or whistle dangling out there to try and capture your attention. Right? And it's like, how do you? How do you shut that off, and you're weird is to is, if I wasn't running this podcast, and if I didn't have a business, I could probably just shut off social media and just be like, Screw it. Yeah, I don't care. I can be one of those guys. Right. But I have to be on him. You know, I mean, like, you have to be honest, to an extent. Even though I really don't want to be as a business owner. It is weird and complicated. Like, you don't need to be sucked into it. But you have to be honest enough.

Jesse Wunderlich 42:21

Yep. That's very true. I 100% agree with that. For the longest time I fought it right. Even in 2020 when I was so I deployed with civilians for a while to actually get seven. In total. I've done seven tours overseas. And in 2020, I was overseas during COVID. Right, so I deployed right before COVID on what was supposed to be a four month deployment. Long story short, that one turned into 10 months. But you know, when you're overseas, and there's a lot of gaps in between what you're actually doing overseas, right? So there's a lot of downs, a lot more downtime than people would think. So, you know, you get onto the Internet and social media is a big thing that everybody, including myself as a time gone on to write. And you just saw it, like, I don't think I ever saw the division like I saw during COVID. It was just it was mind boggling. The amount of people who like I had gone to school with for example, right? Who were just best friends. You know, it was just now they were fighting behind their the safety of their keyboards to just mindless stuff, you know, stuff that nobody knows anything about, truly, right. And it's just that stuff made me so upset that I had actually, I took a three year break from social media and just started up again earlier this year. But I deactivated completely, I didn't just push it on pause. I deleted my Facebook deleted my Instagram, everything but Snapchat, because you know, you got to have the Me and the boys got the got the group chats going on Snapchat, you know, but yeah, I deleted everything right up until earlier this year, when back to your original point. Now, you realize, okay, you know, I've got to do some of the social media to keep up in today's day and age. And that is the truth. Because if nobody knows about your brand, then you're not going to get very far, you know? Yeah,

Keith McKeever 44:09

I can say that. It makes it a weird, weird pathway to walk like you have to straddle that line of like, you got to post you have to be there. You have to post and engage and do the right things. Don't get sucked down the rabbit hole on your personal page. Yep. Not all the time. Obviously, it's probably a good place to have a conversation to have, you know, go back to your comments about COVID. Right. Like I saw that too, right. I don't know how many business owners I've seen do this. And I don't get why people do it. Especially when it's a business owner. You think, you know, don't get sucked into the political stuff or the religious stuff exactly. Anything divisive? I just I don't

Jesse Wunderlich 44:54

social and religious constructs. Those three things were the worst things we ever invented for ourselves, right and again, every Woody has, you know, everybody has the should have the right to believe what they want to believe. But absolutely, I'm a big I'm a libertarian, right. So I walk the center line, the right is too far right for me, the left is way too far left for me. I hate taxes, and I love freedoms. Crime, as far as I'm concerned, or US libertarians are concerned, a crime is only a crime if there's a victim involved, right? If you aren't hurting anybody else, then just keep the legal injustice system out of it. Right? The systems that we have in place, just like education here in America, they're garbage, right? They're outdated. I like Joe Scott. He's one of my favorite YouTubers. He equated it to the iPhone models, right? democracy should keep up to date with the latest in tech and trends and whatnot, you know, that's just the way it should work. Because politics has to evolve with, with the people that are under the control of the politicians, you know, and so it's, it's just one of those things, you know, like,

Keith McKeever 46:02

yeah, you just can't get, you just can't get sucked into those. Right? Yeah, like everybody has has it a point, I don't care if your right or your left. I don't have a label on it. But um, I guess I'll say independent. I don't have a party. I'm very middle of the road on a lot of different things. Right. And for many years, I sit here and I see arguments on both sides. And I sit back and I'm like,

What are you thinking? And what are you thinking? Like? Exactly, yep. Like there is there's a very clear path here in the middle. Like, if everybody could just with calm, cool, collected heads just come together and compromise. Right? There's, there's probably a solution here in the middle.

But everybody just wants to just be so stuck in their ways. Yeah. And, and when it when it blows over to social media, people who are not in business, want to just in a social media, they have the right to do that, right. They have their, their Amendment rights to do so. So they will use the First Amendment and post whatever they want to post on Facebook, by all means, do it. But if you're a business owner, do not get yourself sucked in there, and go out and bash a certain politician or bash a policy or support it. Or other things like I've met, I've seen. You know, I'll just, I'll just do a case point. Like, you know, June, right. June is pride month, right? It's also PTSD Awareness month I saw veteran business owners are I'm gonna put them on blast right now. Not not not by name. It is a month for both, right? I don't understand why there was a divide of like, oh, we should support this and not that or, like, Okay, can we not support the LGBTQ plus community? And support awareness for PTSD at the same time,

Jesse Wunderlich 47:51

right? Yep. No. You're exactly right. The big the big thing, like you were talking about, there's got to be something in the center that everybody's happy with. And you know, what that one thing should be, is letting everybody do you know, just state minding your own business, that's the big thing. You know, like, if somebody wants to, if somebody wants to believe something, let them believe something as long as they don't have the power to take that and use it, you know, and use it against you. Right? Like, we see it a lot in larger religious organizations, right. Everybody's like, you know, the Christian population, for example, I, they, you know, everybody gets upset at because America was founded on the in God, we trust type of deal. And now that the now that the laws are getting a little more free, and I guess I shouldn't say free, because we are headed down a bit of a weird path right now. But it's just, you know, it's it's kind of, it's a very fine line to walk because you've got different religious groups that believe different things. And America is a very interesting place. Because there's nowhere else on the planet like it be. Well, Dubai would be the closest thing, right. But that's not nearly on the size and scale of America. But most people don't understand that. I mean, there's so much diversity in this country, you know, there's an insane amount, we have some of the most diverse, this is the most diverse country on the planet. And you know, what comes with diversity is disagreement. So that's why we have such disagreements here. Like if you look at a lot of smaller countries, granted, not, you know, the war torn ones and whatnot. But a lot of smaller countries, changing policy is a lot simpler, because everybody is more of the same mind because everybody has been there for a lot longer and coheres together a lot better, you know, because but when you take a place that's 100 plus million or 300 plus million strong, and I mean, we're all immigrants, everybody here but the natives are immigrants. You know, so we we brought our beliefs, and then over time we brought other people's beliefs. And then you know, we opened everything up and everybody came in and That's just the way it works, everybody has to understand that that is just the way it is, if you are raised a certain way, nine times out of 10, you are going to believe in what your parents taught you to believe it, you know, that's exactly the way it works. And people need to understand that the beliefs just come from a very, very long line of a game of telephone, you know, and if you if you really dive into it and get into, like, the physics of it, right, physics is my favorite field in the world, because physics explains the reality around us, right? And so if you just get into that, and really soak it in and start to, like, just kind of understand that, essentially, and this is my beliefs, obviously. But essentially, everything is just kind of there. We don't know how it came about. We don't know why it's here, you know, but it's here. And so it's like, why, why live, that, you know, if it did show up by chance, we are a very, very complex and beautiful form of life, right? So why waste that on? Typing a post that's going to piss people off? You know, it just doesn't, it doesn't make any sense, right? So it's just when you really get into the science of things, and you realize how small we really are, and how, I mean, the lottery is like one and however many billions, right? Well, complex life such as our own is one in basically and infinity. Right? And so it's just, it's one of those things, like, why are why are so many people on this planet, wasting their time fighting with each other, you know, it's all about beliefs. One person believes this, and the other person believes that, but they don't understand that you're, you're basically trying to convince yourself out of your own belief, because everyone who believes something has a cognitive bias toward what they believe. And so if you're going to fight you believing something, fighting somebody else who's believing something, think about how you would take that, you know, like, Okay, this guy is trying to change my beliefs, right. And that's, that's what happens all over the place, and everybody is so stuck in the fact that their ways the right way. And that's not it, you know, everybody needs to get the hell away from that. And if we, I mean, imagine what the world would be, like, if we were all if we all just dumped, uh, you know, we just wanted good quality knowledge, if the whole world was just about furthering the human race itself, you know, if we could get everybody back up on par, like, we could bring all those people that are struggling up to our level, you know, it's, it's, it's, it can be done. It's just, it's, it's very hard because people don't like, you know, because there has to be a little bit of this, right, everybody down here and everybody up here, there's got to be a little bit of this, right. And so the issue is, is everybody up here doesn't want to give up that so that everybody can be here, you know, and I'm sure there's ways to make it. So it goes like this, right? But those are probably a lot harder.

Keith McKeever 53:01

You know, my thoughts aren't personal thoughts are. Like, going back here a few minutes, like, we are all, like you said, like, everybody kind of just here like, you know, where we come from. There's like a permanence to life. Right? Like, we're all sentient beings. We're all impermanence to life. We're all born we're all gonna die. We're all here against extreme odds. Like, like I said, like, billion one. I mean, it's like, extreme odds that we've been making here. Think it's Gary Vaynerchuk. I think he even quoted something like, yeah, like a million to one odds, the two you were even conceived. And think about the fact that you were even born, right? You know, and then when you think about the fact that you even depending on what circumstances you were born in, to think about the fact that you've made it to adulthood? Yeah. So. But then yeah, there's like this impermanence to life of like, you know, everything around us. nothing's permanent. Everything's changing. Everything's always changing. Everything around us in his world is changing. We change. You know, if humans died, all died today, guess what, the buildings would deteriorate plants would grow, the animals would live and die. Like, everything would change. And the like that Will Smith movie

Jesse Wunderlich 54:22

for trillions of years until it's inevitable heat death.

Keith McKeever 54:25

Yeah. And you know what, when the sun gets that big, and the earth just melts, guess what that's changed to Yeah, and then universe would continue to change. It's just everything just continues to change. But I think that there's this I think if you just look at things in the right way, of like, if you realize that everybody has different beliefs if you accept it, like, you know, hey, you might have different beliefs, the person next to you might have different beliefs. Just realizing that people have different beliefs and just hey, your beliefs might be different than mine. But it's okay. It's okay. I don't believe the same thing you do. You may not, you know, but it's okay. I'm not going to hate you for it. I'm not gonna put you on blast on social media for it. Like, you may believe in a different political party than me. Or you may believe in a different religion, or you may believe, I don't know that this particular vaccine creates this or that or whatever. I mean, there's all kinds of, you know, all the crazy stuff you see on social media, but like, yeah, like, we just, I just wish we could, as a society, just get back to just loving and accepting people for who they are. Not necessarily, like, what party they believe in, or things like that, like, we just let so much stuff divide us. Yeah. Well, you know, and then that translates over to business too, like then that, then you? If you make those stances, then it ruins your reputation, and you're gonna lose customers, you could lose your business. You could. I mean,

Jesse Wunderlich 55:52

no, yeah. It's,

Keith McKeever 55:55

it's weird. But then, you know, I mean, how often you see that though? Well, I mean, you just got back on social media. Yeah, absolutely. Over the last couple of years, man, it's like, you see a business owner, just, you know, open mouth, insert foot, you know, on social media, and you're like, What are you doing? Like?

Jesse Wunderlich 56:11

Yep, you know, what? Seriously, I will admit, though, that three years that I took off that that has been the biggest three year growth period of my life, I will admit just not not just financially, but mentally and like, just, you know, I'm just, I just feel all around better rounded because I took a break. And, you know, if I'm, if I'm being honest, what I did was, I jumped into the scientific world. I just, I figured, like, you know, I had this kind of, I don't know what really set it off recently. But I grew up, I grew up Lutheran, right, I was raised Lutheran, that's just the way that I was raised. And I mean, for the longest time, that was, that was my life. You know, that was, that was what I did church every Sunday youth group on Wednesday, and I enjoyed it, because I was around people that, you know, were like minded and everybody bumped each other up. And I love that that aspect of it. But, you know, when you get when you get further along, and whatnot, and again, I don't know what exactly piqued it, but I get into, you know, you start you start questioning, it's just a little bit of a, you start asking the questions and whatnot. And a lot of those questions lead to the physical reality, right? Like, why are we here? What is here, what, what's all around us type of deal. And so you get into things like, classical physics, right? And you start to learn about everything, and like how mathematics is just the language of physics. So you start getting into the mathematics of things. And it's kind of fun, just kind of, I mean, to me, obviously, everybody, you know, most people would call that nerdy and whatnot, but you, you know, you figure out different things about classical mechanics, and then you realize, holy, like, you get into this quantum mechanics type of stuff, that's, that works on a whole different pace. You know, classical physics works completely different than quantum physics, even though classical physics is built with structures based off of quantum mechanics. But then you get into all that stuff. And I mean, you just on the other end of the spectrum, we've got astrophysics, right, astrophysics are the that's the movement of like, giant celestial bodies and stuff like that, and gravity in space time itself, and you really start to realize how small you actually are in this possibly infinite universe. And you just, I mean, it really humbles you, you know, like, no, that three year period of my life, I mean, it's just, I just, it grabbed me, and it just drugged me in and I mean, I haven't told too many people this yet, but I'm actually looking at going to school to be, I want to get into quantum computing myself. So I think that is, that's, that's kind of my next step in life. And all my businesses that I've done, I've kind of built to be a certain level of a certain level of autonomous, you know, so it's kind of like, in a sense, a sort of passive income for me, so. So I do have, I've freed up my time, and I still do have my GI Bill, because I never, I never looked into that. Or I never, you know, found out what I wanted to do. It's back to that point again, of when I was 18 years old. You know what, there's, there's a billion different, like, things that I could do out there, like, I'm supposed to know, and now I haven't even tried anything. So barely know how to tie your shoes at 18. You know what I mean? Right? And pretty much exactly, it's like, give me give me the old velcro slip ons. You know, like, that's pretty much what it is. It's just so it's yeah, it's crazy. But that's, that's my next step. Anyways, the quantum quantum computing, because I think that's going to, we need a lot of, we need a lot of people. And this is kind of like, this is like a cry for help type of deal. Right? Like, we need people in the field, who are going to have humanity's best interests at heart, you know, and I say humanities, because that's all of us. You know, we're all in this together. We all got put on this earth without consent. You know, like, as weird as it is to say, you know, we are here, I'm consensually, right. We had no role in coming to where we are today, right? You can You can say, to a certain extent from birth, you know, or from whatever time you became sentient in a sense, right? To now you have a little bit of a role in that, right? Dependent upon who you ask. Some philosophers are super crazy with the whole freewill thing, right. But, I mean, it's like, you know, can we just like, recognize that everybody is a human, you know, we're just, we all gotta get together, and we got to figure this stuff out together. Because we, regardless of what you believe the afterlife is, we can make this universal utopia, you know, we can do that we can all we can all come together, cohesive together, whatever you want to say. And we can figure this out, but we just have to respect each other, that's the big thing, everybody is going to have their beliefs, because you're not just going to have, you're not going to have one mind, you know, eventually, way down the line dependent upon who, you know, the AI experts, you ask, and like us integrating into the one mind and whatnot, maybe that you know, but that's super far off and dystopian as hell. So let's not get into that. Right now. I mean, we've we've got a chance, you know, us, we have a huge chance to make the future a very, very powerful thing. And if I mean, just imagine, you know, anything anybody can think of, you know, heaven, right? Everybody always thinks of some form of Heaven or utopia after your after you die. But why the hell can't we just make that here, you know, imagine, imagine living forever, but not having to worry about anything. You know, that's, that's a crazy thing to think about. I know. But that's, I mean, just just everyone's wondering, if that's their end goal, you know, like they just to coexist with everybody, and just everybody propping each other up, and us just trying to discover new things or learn about each other, you know, everybody's got a story. Everybody, like, everybody's got their eyes set to this massive thing. And they forget about, you know, the all the experiences that other people have had and everything, and it's just, you know, we really, we really have to, we just have to take a step back every once in a while. And I think, you know, I do believe that contrary to like, what the media says, and everything, I feel like we're on, we're on kind of a good track, you know, the population that is more about freedoms and whatnot, I think they're getting a little more, they're getting larger and whatnot. And I think that the media really likes to put out all the bad stuff. But I think we're kind of, I like to feel anyway, you know, like I said, we're Gen pop. So we'll never figure out what's really going on in the world. But I really like to remain optimistic, because if you're not optimistic about certain things like that, it can, you know, I can get dark, and nobody wants to live live in the dark. Right. Good point. We've got chances, right, let's just we got to use them, right?

Keith McKeever 1:02:53

Absolutely. Yeah, well, one thing about it, we, we don't know what the future holds. But we do have a unique opportunity, as we go into a new age here with AI, wherever that goes to look at this, and stop and pause and say, let's put our heads together. And let's think about this. And let's make sure we're putting the right actions into this. Yeah, it'd be smart about this, instead of just diving straight into it. So

Jesse Wunderlich 1:03:20

safety research. Research is huge. That's why everybody's trying to stop it. You know, that's why there's so many, so many big wigs out there. Like, let's slow things down a little bit. Because it's 100% True, you know, like a lot of the things that some of these technologies are doing, we don't even understand how they're doing it, which is scary in a way. But people are still trudging forward for the profit, everything. Like it's, it's obviously about money. But one thing that it's about almost equally now is data. Data is all it's basically like a currency nowadays, because people will dish out insane amounts of money, just to get data, you know, and so it's almost like, it's worth more than the money that's even being spent on it. Because if you have data, I mean, data is how all algorithms work, right? Like any anything that you watch, like, you know, you talk about, oh, I would like I want a pool noodle for the pool out back, right? And then all of a sudden, you you're scrolling on your phone, and there's an ad for pool noodles, and you're like, What the hell? That stuff is so deep that I mean, it's just it's scary in a way but you know, we just Yeah, safety research.

Keith McKeever 1:04:29

Huge. Yep. Absolutely. I think it's key going forward. So well i I want to thank you Jesse for coming on here and kind of sharing with us and kind of a deep dive into AI and where this world might go and and how we can kind of realize it's kind of a noisy world and we need to kind of find that balance and whatnot. And, and kind of caution ourselves, right through social media and as we go through this, so But you mentioned you had two different businesses. I got one scrolling across here. I didn't I didn't put the other one in ticker. But yep. Tell me a little bit about your businesses before we wrap up here.

Jesse Wunderlich 1:05:03

All right, yeah. So I mean, wonderful labs we've got, we got some, you know, just some basic supplements, I really, I got sick of all the supplements that were out there that were just kind of like, you know, what's in these things, you know, nobody really knows. So, and a lot of them had a bunch of extra stuff in it too. So it's like, I just want the bare bones stuff. You know, protein is good protein. So I put protein in a tau, BCA. Same thing, right? We gotta, you know, I've got multivitamins, fish oils, any sort of stuff. You know, it's just a supplement type stuff, but it's just supplements, you know, it's none of the extra BS or whatever. And that's what I really tried to do with wonderfil. so wonderfully. labs.com That's the one and then I do I own a gym chain. I'm a real estate investor as well. But so if anybody is interested in like, in crowdfunding or whatnot, or partnerships, just let me know, you know, but, um, Otter fitness.com. That's my, that's my gym chain. We're actually working on working on our second location right now. But yeah, that was more of like a localized thing. If you ever want to come by and stop in the gym, you know, that's, you can find out where it's at. And everything on the website.

Keith McKeever 1:06:07

Awesome. Well, I will have everything in the show notes for anybody watching or listening and you want to look the links, have no fear, like always, it'll be there. Like, once again, I appreciate you stopping by share with us, Jesse.

Jesse Wunderlich 1:06:19

Yeah, of course. Thanks for having me.

Keith McKeever 1:06:23

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