Fire Team Whiskey
Fire Team Whiskey is a fitness and lifestyle app that assists military members and veterans to live healthier lifestyles. The founder and CEO, Stephanie Lincoln discusses how nutrition, exercise, and mental health all play a key role in our physical health. She discusses how bio-hacking and learning more about your own body can help you achieve better, long term results over the typical diet fads you see everywhere. Its long term, life altering changes that make for the real changes. Stephanie served in the US Army, was a unit fitness manager, competed on the Army's endurance race teams and is a licensed mental health counselor as well as a certified personal trainer.
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Transcript from Episode 48 with Stephanie Lincoln:
Keith McKeever 0:04
Whoa, buddy with Keith McKeever. Welcome back to another episode of the battle buddy podcast, I am joined by Stephanie Lincoln today. And if you are interested in health and fitness, and mental health and combining of all of that, which it's all combined one way or another, I've got the guest for you today. She's not only a personal trainer, and nutrition coach, but you're also a licensed clinical social worker. That almost sounds like a mouthful to say. But, Stephanie, welcome to the show.
Stephanie Lincoln 0:35
Thank you. Thanks so much. And I left the name of your podcast because we we have a battle buddy program within 14 Whiskey. So it's right up our alley.
Keith McKeever 0:43
Absolutely. You know what I have said many times that we have to, we can't rely on the civilian population, to take care of us completely. We have to be able to take care of each other. We have to be there for each other. We were there for each other when we serve, we have to be there for each other now, you know, and that's how we can all work together to try to better everybody's lives. So
Stephanie Lincoln 1:06
yeah, absolutely. And I just I was just telling you before we started recording, I just came from i Women Army Corps group. So that's exactly what we do. As a group. As you know, we take care of each other, especially female veterans, because we tend to kind of get forgotten about, you know, and we actually had three War World War Two, seriously riveters, and our group. They've since passed over the last couple years. But Reverend Rosa rivers who were reserved early on in our group, right, yeah. And it's about, you know, just supporting each other and taking care of our own. You know, it's not only that, just camaraderie that that, you know, that similar experience, obviously, my time in the army was much different than, you know, our Rosie's. But you know, we still owe them a debt, you know, that, you know, they they answered the call of duty and serve their country proudly, and they deserve respect and dignity and support that, you know, until the day they die.
Keith McKeever 2:13
Absolutely. And you have a good point on the female veterans, you know, it's a, what did I see? The percentage was expected to go up to, like, 18 to 20% of the force within, like, 2030, or something like that. I think right now it's hovering around 15%. Give or take, you know, so it's hard for me to imagine that because I was Air Force, and we had women and did security forces. So, you know, it seemed like it was more than not, but, you know, the Army's different the Marine Corps difference. You know, you got different, the vastly different population of women in each branch. But overall, I think it's about 15%. So, y'all definitely need to stick together. You know, there's unique challenges, I'm sure to be a female that, you know, versus a male that so that's good that you got a little network and little community. That's, that's important.
Stephanie Lincoln 3:04
Yeah, absolutely.
Keith McKeever 3:06
So tell us a little bit about yourself before we dive into fire team whiskey, what was your military story? What, why would you do etc.
Stephanie Lincoln 3:15
So I was my right hand, at the age of 17. I was the kind of the typical story of, basically, if I wanted to do something with my life, I had to join the military. That's, you know, my, my parents didn't have a lot of money. My dad actually was a Marine and a Navy veteran, you know, he was enlisted. But you know, he had four kids and a family to feed. And it's not like there was college funds there. So, you know, I graduated high school, 17, arose my right hand and joined the army. And I actually went into finance because my uncle happened to be in the unit as well. So I just basically, James joined the same unit, and I had never even considered joining the military up until my senior year of high school. And it just was presented as an option to go ahead and pay for college if I wanted to do that. And I did want to do that, because I actually would be the very first person in my family to get a higher education. So you know, I come from an educated background, you know, kind of poor family, my mother's family was poor. So I wanted to kind of be the one to to do something with my life. And so I joined the Army. I was finance was enlisted, and then for four years, and then I was number one to get promoted to E five, I went to PVC at the time that that's what they called it. And I sat there and got passed over for promotion because this was pre 911. This is the old army, and we had kind of you know, sat on our orals for a while. And a lot of these e fives were just sitting in these slots taking up these slots. So those of us were kind of up and coming and I, you know, had had one like soldier the cycle and boot camp and I was like the regional soldier the cycle and I was on the color guard and the honor guard and I was kind of doing like the above and beyond kind of stuff. And I was kind of kept to, you know, as a future leader. And I wanted to be an NCO because my father was an NCO. And I got passed over. And I'll never forget the conversation that I had, we had one female and leadership at my unit at the time, and she was a major, she was I think she was an XO. And we were going out to the range or something, she kind of pulled me aside, she said, I want you to be my driver. I was like, oh, okay, yes, ma'am. You know, and gotten the gun, they got a Hummer with her and, you know, drove her out to the range. And she, she kind of took me aside and use that time to kind of mentor me and, and say, hey, look, you know, you have a lot of potential, and you just got passed over, because these dirt bags are sitting in these Z five slots. And, you know, I think you could do something, I think you could be an officer, and I've never even considered that at the time. And she kind of talked me into it. She said, You know, I you're getting an education, you're going to have college credits, why not? You know, why not go to OCS and, and, you know, be a leader, you'll still be a leader just, you know, in a different way. And so I came from that that range experience and approached my platoon sergeant, and said, Hey, sorry about that, but I'm out. I'm gonna apply and I was yes. And, you know, he was a little disappointed, but he said, You know, I totally understand there's nothing I can do. My hands are tied. I can't, you know, get rid of these. He fives taken up these slots. I'm sad to see ago but you know, I think you'll you'll do great. So he supported that. I went to OCS. And then I branch signal, not because I wanted to bring signal again, I think my military career, half of the time it happened by accident, like things like that. I didn't really have these plans or ideas. They just kind of fell in my lap and brain signal because my one of my TAC officers at OCS was was taking command at a at a unit around the same time I was graduating OCS and he said, I want you to be one of my platoon leaders, you know, and I was like, okay, and I'm like, what, what unit is this? What am I doing is like signal, a signal. So that's what I did. So bring signal. And I was a platoon leader actually was XO, I was rated as an Axos as well, that unit. And then I caught a call from the FCS program and they said, Hey, we're in, we're in dire need of, of TAC officers. We want we need female instructors, we have none. And we, we think you would be a strange one for assuming you did well, in OCS, we remember you you you know, you're a performer, and you've got great ratings. So we want to invite you back and send you to Army instructor school and get you qualified, and then come on and be a TAC officer at OCS. So I did that, too. And that's how I finished up my career. 10 years.
Keith McKeever 8:17
Awesome. And I would imagine, with your you know, being a mental health professional and a fitness nutrition coach, I would imagine you could probably trace some of those, the roots of that back to being an instructor and go into that training.
Stephanie Lincoln 8:32
Yeah, absolutely. It helped a lot. You know, but I was also very young, you know, so remember, I was 17. So, I had a lot of learning to do. But, you know, I think it was because of my father. And he was an NCO and my first platoon sergeant, and who I'm very close with to this day, you know, and I call him my army daddy, basically, like he had me at 17. He kind of took the, you know, the baton at that time, and grew me up, you know, so to speak. And, you know, guiding me in the right direction, gave me great advice, and he very much is like a father figure to me, and so much so that he actually walked me down the aisle two years ago, because my father passed and he stood in for my father and walked me down the aisle. Yeah, so we're that close. He is like a father to me. I just saw him last weekend as well. So, yeah, I think it was that installation of just, you know, respecting that, you know, not just respecting your elders, you know, but, you know, that kind of experience in authority even though I outranked my, you know, my own platoon sergeant at that point, we actually ended up back in a unit together the signal unit, he came in as first sergeant at a different company, but we are in the same battalion. And I out ranked him so we ended up you know, serving together again, and, you know, but I always always came in as you know, respecting the the experience of the person, you know, I was just a junior lieutenant coming in Yeah, sure I out ranked 90% of the people in that unit. But that didn't mean shit. You know, that didn't mean I knew anything. So I kind of clued myself to you know, those NCOs that I felt like you were outstanding, or they the senior officers and learn from them and always was open to, you know, corruption and, you know, guidance and even criticism, to, you know, to, to kind of meld me into the leader that I you know, fortunately, got a lot of good experience with.
Keith McKeever 10:43
Yeah, you have a good point you don't know anything as Lieutenant you don't I mean, I visited list guy was demolished times isn't listed. But you know, the joke, always, you know, about the lieutenant's don't know, anything, lieutenants can't find their way out of a room with a map, you know, what I mean, or something to that I was, you know, you're younger, sometimes I know, in the Air Force, we had new officers that would come in, and they will put it right on flight with us. And you're standing in there, you know, we know our job worse, we're qualified on our job. And here, they've got a weapon, and now they're the, the the flight commander, and they're ultimately in charge, but they've gone through no formal training yet. You know, they would put them there for a month or two, and then boom, now they're off to school, they come back, when you come back to the unit, they weren't even, you know, they'd go to supplier or do something else. But yeah, it was like, they never had a clue what's going on, you know, Oh,
Stephanie Lincoln 11:38
yeah. Basically, I mean, 99% of my time that I spent as, as a, you know, a junior lieutenant and then a lieutenant, and in the signal battalion, I basically was just like, getting a task for command and then turning to an NCO or whoever was in charge of that and going, Okay, how do you want to do this? Alright, sounds good. That's the plan, let's do it executed. I mean, I was just like, a metal man, you know, like, I felt a little bit useless. But, you know, but I learned, you know, and I would sit down and, you know, go into the, you know, the mobile signal units that we have, and with our technician, guys, we're super smart. And that's a hey, you know, kind of show me, show me what you do. And I'd spent hours in there. And it's like, I kind of looked like I had nothing to do I really didn't, it was just like they were doing their job. So you know, it makes my life easy. So I was just there to learn from them.
Keith McKeever 12:31
Yeah, yeah, you kind of hit on something, they're not really having much to do just kind of floating around, you'll probably appreciate this. And my second duty station, we had a lieutenant come back, and they put them in a back office job. And I work day shift, and I came out of the law enforcement desk, and I was walking past his office to go to our operations officers office to deliver something to them. And as I walked past, this young 20 to 23 year old Lieutenant is sitting there with a romance novel with his feet kicked up on the desk with nothing. I had to stop and do a double take. And I'm like, Am I really seeing this right now? You're reading, writing about your job, right? We studying something you could be just, you know, shadowing a senior NCO around the unit or something. But you're sitting there reading a romance novel, I was like, I can't believe what I'm seeing right now.
Stephanie Lincoln 13:21
Right? Now, you'd never catch me doing that know for sure. That was also instilled in me from, you know, for my father, like he always had to be gainfully employed. Like there was no such thing in my household growing up as boredom, quote, unquote, like, if that the B word, the B word was worse than the F word and my house like, God forbid, you said you were bored. Oh, you could not be caught in my household sitting around, like shooting the shit or like doing something non productive. Because, boy, I mean, Mom and Dad would have 19 tasks for you right away, like, oh, okay, you look like you need something to do. I got something for you.
Keith McKeever 14:03
Yeah, you know, you had such a unique experience, though, to growing up in a military household. And then your uncle was serving. And then you went in and lifted, you know, went through that process. It's that fan things from multiple angles. I mean, you know, there, this is officers or prior listener, Mustangs or whatever, you know, they kind of call it that in the Navy. But, you know, those officers were always the best to serve with in my favorite shout out to Luth. Well, he was lieutenant force at that time, he was our operations officer. That was one badass dude who went to bat for his troops on multiple occasions, and had respect from everybody. You know, and then I had to say, you know, the ones that come right out of the Academy right out of college and have no no connections, you know, it's it's just as much of a culture shock to them as the young he wants and you're still trying to navigate everything and figure everything out. So
Stephanie Lincoln 14:58
I 100% agree I mean, from even even when I went to OBC, you know, we were all mixed in, you know, that was the active duty was that it was the, you know, the, the college graduates, OCS graduates, we, you know, we're all kind of meshing together. And it was like, even the direct commissions, and it was just such a stark difference between the three groups, you know, in quality, you know, just, you know, coming in with just a completely different attitude of, instead of Ooh, I'm here on the boss, or I'm educated, so you have to respect me, it was the Mustangs who were just like, hey, I'm here to learn, you know, like, I don't, you know? Sure. Yeah. Like, I yeah, I have the authority and the command. But, you know, I'm also here to learn, and I'm also here to support and take care of my troops. You know, that's why I became an officer, because that's the bottom line, right? I mean, it's taking care of troops. So yeah,
Keith McKeever 15:49
it'd be good leaders at all levels. So that's, that's, yeah, for sure. So tell us a little bit about fire team whiskey.
Stephanie Lincoln 15:57
Yeah, so 13 Whiskey, again, kind of happened by accident. But like everything else in my life, I, after I got out of the military, I feel like I never left because about a year and a half later, I was doing some private practice worked on mental health stuff, I had some contracts and, you know, suits just fine. And I got a call from a former battalion commander and comforting manner, they both were on the line at the same time, and conference calls me and they're like, Hey, we have this brand new contract, it's, uh, you know, they're thrown a crapload of money at this military suicide problem. And we have this open position, it's brand new, it's been funded, we've got to hire for it, we want to hire you. Because you have worn the uniform, you're the mature mental health, it's a licensed mental health practitioner. And basically, you're going to come on, and you're going to have a caseload of 14,000 service members, Army and Air, this was for the National Guard in Florida. And we're going to basically hand over our behavioral health problems and say, fix it. With this one physician, and, and, you know, you're gonna take it, take it over and tell us what to do and how to fix this problem. And so that was pretty cool. I mean, it was, it was it was a huge honor to get that call. And they were very adamant about having somebody who, you know, who not only had the expertise, but you know, had worn the uniform, and wasn't just coming in as some, you know, highly educated person saying, Okay, I'm going to fix your suicide problem military and had never served a day in their life. So
Keith McKeever 17:43
the culture component of that, without, without that,
Stephanie Lincoln 17:45
nothing huge. I mean, I mean, what a learning curve. For people coming in to figure that out, I mean, I was way ahead of the curve, I mean, because they hired, you know, all the for all these positions, and all the states. And we all kind of came together with this, you know, training and, man, it was so obvious, like those of us who who were hired, and there was a handful of us, and we were way above and beyond as far as like experience and understand what the problem is. And because we had served. So I did that for a while I got promoted very quickly, I ended up as a deputy director for the Air National Guard program, running the multimillion dollar program, we had, like 258 clinicians spread out throughout the continental and overseas with our territories. So and then, just like any government job, eventually it came to an end. They, they converted all the positions to technicians. And because I was in leadership, I was took the X, you know, because their uniforms then come in as leadership. So I kind of had a little bit of an existential crisis at that time. I was like, Okay, well, I've been doing this for the last like, eight years of my life now what? And so I just kind of was doing private practice, but I've always been into fitness. I was always like the fitness and instructor or the designated fitness officer, I was the body fat control officer and all my units. I was a competitive racer, I was on the Army National Guard endurance racing team, I did 300 mile races. So I was very fitness. I got my certification, but just for fun, like I got my personal training certification for fun because I started teaching at the armory like after I was done with my like 12 to 14 hour days, you know, doing behavioral health stuff. I would you know, hold classes and the drill hall floor, you know, doing like Insanity class like with and soldiers would come you know, after their shifts and we we'd work out so
Stephanie Lincoln 19:53
I had, you know, done that work and you know, with my experience with the on the medical side of things being Have these medical events and, you know, going through all these records with these soldiers, and I'd sit down with like, you know, probably like 50 soldiers in a day at these medical events and looking through all the records, and I was doing the behavioral health stuff. But like, man, these guys, like 20 years old blood pressure, medication, cholesterol, and they're 60 pounds overweight, and they've got all these aches and pains and neuron Trazodone. And they're on, you know, Zoloft. And they're on Prozac. And it's like, what's happening here, and it just, I saw the shift from, you know, I joined in 1997. And then so I was working on that contract, and, you know, doing those medical events, and, you know, 2010, let's say, in 2005, to 10, it was a completely different picture than what I remembered, in the early days, when I was in the military, there was just a different look, there, there were more, I never remember, almost anyone in my unit being overweight, it was, it was a very rare thing. And then when I looked around in the drillhole floor, it looked like, half the people were overweight. And I just saw this trend. And I felt like something was missing. You know, and, and what really drove me insane was at these medical events, they, you know, that the family support, people would come and they would sell like, Honey buns and cokes and, you know, like cookies, and baked goods and chips and stuff all day to raise money. And I was like, but we're at a medical event, these kids are getting their teeth pulled over here, because they didn't get their cavities filled, and they're deploying into. So it's like, I felt like I was going insane. You know, I felt like it was so obvious to me, but nobody else was picking up on it. So I mentioned this issue to my husband. And he said, Well, why don't you just do that? So what what, why don't you just do that? He said, Why don't you just do that whole thing, like the fitness and the nutrition, and then the mental health and all the things just combine it in one. And I was like, You know what, that's friggin great idea. I mean, that's, that's what it should be. And you can't just do one and not the other. Obviously, this isn't working. Because we have so many people who can't deploy because of all these issues with, you know, their, their pains, and they're overweight, and they can't pass their PT test. And they're on all these medications. And they have all these unexplained chronic illnesses, and they're 24 years old. Like, if that's your outlook on life, it's not looking good. So I created for our team whiskey, and I created it as kind of a holistic solution to help veterans and military members approach health and nutrition and fitness in the most logical and and most researched and up to date way possible. So I keep up with the latest research and nutrition. I go to all the conferences, I was a just attended a nutritional psychiatry conference last weekend, I'm very much into the fact that even a small minor vitamin deficiency can actually mimic a mental health disease and you can have those symptoms and you could just be deficient and in a single vitamin. And that can make all the difference in the world. And this is not even being talked about in our modern medical society. And these are, these are just simple changes you can make before you start all the invasive processes and the medications have all these side effects. And also, you know, make you feel like, there's no hope like there's, there's no way your body's ever going to get better and that you're just going to continue to have to be medicated and more medicating more Medicaid and things are just going to continue to spiral for the rest of your life. veterans deserve better. And so I created a way to show them that way.
Keith McKeever 24:03
Awesome. Just, you know, picture in my hand is you were saying that it's that I am not an automotive kind of person, but it just kind of makes me think of a car. If you're not moving the car at all, all kinds of things are gonna go wrong might not start. But the nutrition aspect of it is is the fuel that you put in it. You know, if you put leaded gasoline in a, in a race car, it's not going to run up. If you put race fuel in a Prius, I don't know what that would do, but I'm sure I'm sure it's gonna be too high octane or something, you know, it's like, you gotta you gotta optimize everything. And I think what you're referring to is biohacking is that right?
Stephanie Lincoln 24:42
Yeah. And, you know, that's, that's, that's a term that's been become popular realized, you know, in the latest latest few years, but Ben Greenfield and Dave Asprey. But really, it's just, it's, it's looking at an alternative approach that and these are New concepts, by the way, I mean, it sounds high tech and new age and woowoo. You know, but it really isn't this stuff has been our ancestors have been using these techniques for 1000s of years. It's part of why our, you know, we're still around as a human species. But it's looked at now as like woowoo. Or, you know, that's, that doesn't make any sense. What are you talking about Wim Hof breathing. Like, why would you just breathe like, Okay, well, guess what that actually works for us. That's, there's a reason why we do it. So maybe it might work for you, you know. So it's, it seems like kind of new agey, but these are, these are techniques that are backed by science and research. And, you know, there's, there's data, I mean, for some of these techniques that have been out there for even, you know, for maybe hundreds of years. They've been using low carb approaches to cure chronic diseases since the 1800s. So this has been around for a long time. And there's plenty of data out there leading up to this day and age that supports that. But you know, it's looked at as alternative or weird or, you know, non conventional, we've been doing this this is this is already established science. So, it's been working for that long, why wouldn't we try it now?
Keith McKeever 26:22
Absolutely. I mean, look at certain civilizations around the world have certain things that they do, and, you know, tribes in Amazonian rainforest, they're still there. They're still living and thriving, with no modern medicine. Yeah.
Stephanie Lincoln 26:41
They don't have dentists. They don't have doctors, they don't have blood pressure medications. And by God, they're actually perfectly normal. I wonder why.
Keith McKeever 26:53
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, there's definitely a lot of factors into it. But I think that there's a lot of things that people can can learn from some of that stuff is you know, even water you know, to take hydrating you know, I mean, it's beat into our heads when you serve as hydrate, hydrate, hydrate, you know, you walk around in the freakin canteen anyway. You know, or a Camelback you know, you just hydrate everywhere you go. Why? Because it's good for you. What do we do on the outside, not drink water?
Stephanie Lincoln 27:21
Exactly. You know, it's our version of hydration is like a 20 ounce energy drink every two hours, and a pot of coffee.
Keith McKeever 27:33
I'm still guilty on the coffee thing, but I stopped drinking energy drinks about nine years ago, because I realized it I don't, I don't even know how to pronounce half the ingredients in it. So I felt like that was probably a sign in and of itself. If I don't know what these are, like, probably shouldn't be putting them in my body. But the crashes off of those, the acid the different reports that were kind of coming out and I was like, this isn't good for me to be drinking one or two of these today. Mm hmm. Yeah. And I haven't had anything like that nine years. And it's just drink coffee and water and you know, like, stevia drinks. You know, it's it's kind of a soda but it's clear, it's more healthy, naturally sweetened kind of thing. Like, I drink things like that not not an endorsement I'm interested in. This is my first video I mentioned that that's getting rolling in the dough on this. You know, but like when I have a regular soda now, it's just like, wow, it's just way too sweet. it way too acidic. So you know, you can do little, I guess I've been doing some little bio hacks in some way of like, just trying to wean myself off of certain things. You know, it's it's easy to do. There's alternatives out there.
Stephanie Lincoln 28:45
Right? Well, that's what you know. And I always like joke about this, like, what I do is not complicated. It's not rocket science. Like really isn't. It's not, you know, people pay me an immense amount of money to work with them one on one. And I'm like, I really like it. There's nothing special really about what I do. I basically am stating the obvious, you know, but it's, it's that I guess it's that accountability component, or the component of just pure like, I'm just overwhelmed. You know, I don't know what to do. I just need a plan, like you give me a roadmap, I'm going to follow it. So that's what I do. I just lay out a roadmap. Here's what works. Here's what the research says. Here's the shortest way from point A to point B. Now if you're okay was doing the zigzag process and going here and there and everywhere and trying every diet and every kind of fitness program and you know, kind of bouncing back and putting the weight back on and getting fallen off the wagon. Great. That's then that works for you. If you want the shortest path from point A to point B, I can show you how to do it. It's going to be some hard work. You're going to have to follow it. It's not a short term thing. This isn't 30 days that you know, 30 pounds in 30 days promise, no. And I always tell people and people do sign up sometimes thinking it's going to be some sort of quick fix. And I've rejected people, I'm like, I'll give you your money back. That's not what we do here. Because I'm not signing up for failure.
Keith McKeever 30:17
There's so much in this world, that's a quick fix. It takes, you know, somebody framed it for me, once it's a lifestyle change. You have, you have to make changes literally for the rest of your life, like the energy drinks, I just said, You know what, I'm not doing that anymore. I don't want to have my heart explode, you know, in my mid 30s, like, or whatever those could possibly do. But just little changes, like cut back on soda, go to these more natural things, drink coffee, water, I tried to avoid juices, you know, as much as possible, right? Any more green vegetables to my diets been difficult, I will, I will admit, I told a nutritionist once I said, you keep telling me what I need to eat, I already know what I need to eat. I'm just trying to find better ways to make it taste good. without ruining the health benefits. I was like, how many? Can you show me any tips on like cooking, you know, green beans or broccoli and make it taste good. But you know, without, you know, killing, killing a diet, because this about little changes.
Stephanie Lincoln 31:17
It is and and you know, but here's the thing, it's everyone knows what to do, it's how to do it. Right. And that's why what we do work so well is because pretty much every fitness or fitness program or gym you join or diet you sign up for is completely leaving out a huge component of what's necessary for change. And that's changing what's going on from the neck up, right? You're so worried about what's going on from the neck down and losing the weight and getting fit and getting biceps and being sexy or whatever. But if you're not willing to change from the neck up, none of those changes from the neck down are gonna stick. So and that's the hardest part. And, you know, it really does come down to that mental health behavioral health component is, and I put it, I put it to my clients this way is, you know, if you are not willing to make a change to you know, ensure that you have the longest life possible in the best quality life possible. Then you obviously don't love yourself enough to do it. And that's hard to hear. And you can kind of laugh it off and go, Ah, no, I'm just lazy or I just don't want to change or I just like my bread. Are I just like my coke or I just like my beer. No, that's not what it's about. That's surface level stuff. Deep down inside, you believe you do not deserve a healthy, long life, free of suffering free of medical conditions free of medications that you can one day, you know, walk your daughter down the aisle who's three years old right now, and not be worried, hey, I may not be there, because I already have high blood pressure and high cholesterol and I'm 60 pounds overweight, and I'm huffing and puffing just walking around the house. You know, and that's the hardship like to confront that to look in the mirror and go. I'm getting in my own way. And confronting that. You know, David Goggins is an amazing author. If you haven't read his book can't hurt me. Well, yeah,
Keith McKeever 33:38
audible list. I haven't listened to it yet. Oh, yeah. An audio
Stephanie Lincoln 33:41
book. Better. Yeah. Listen to the audio book because you get a lot of extra stuff on top of the book. Yeah. Boy, I tell you what, when I'm when I'm getting a little slump, or I'm feeling a little sorry for myself are feeling a little not motivated. Just turn that on. Boy. I mean, he lights a fire on your ass because that's, that's the thing he goes for. He goes for your throat. He's like, look in the mirror. You're the one getting in your way. Tell yourself, I'm not willing to do this. You know, because you're, you're the only one to blame. You can you can point the finger all the way around you 360 That's never going to change your situation. Until you pointed at yourself.
Keith McKeever 34:26
Darn good point. You know, I know. I know, in a lot of ways, I'm guilty of that, too. You know,
Unknown Speaker 34:32
we are Yeah,
Keith McKeever 34:33
we you know, yeah. I I don't do everything I need to do. I've made incremental changes, but there's, there's, there's you know that that next level, you got to ratchet it up to and dive deeper and do the next thing. So,
Stephanie Lincoln 34:44
yeah. And you know, and that's the thing is it's, you know, that's why, you know, our program works so well because it's a battle buddy program, right? It's that's what we do. That's why it's called Fire Team whiskey. It's a fire team, you know, so if you've been in the military, you know, What that is, it's, it's the group of four or five or six people who are experts in their certain areas, right. And we all are in this to accomplish our mission together, we're surrounding you with the support with the education with the resources, we are going to move to the finish line with you, we're not going to leave you behind you stumble, we're going to stop, we're going to pick you up, we're going to figure it out. And then we're going to move on, no matter how slow it takes, we're going to get there. So you just have to be willing to take the steps, right? And we don't ask for a huge commitment, you know, it could change your life overnight, you know, because we know that doesn't stick either of you want to fray, and we're gonna we're gonna kind of take the baby steps every day, but we're gonna keep you moving. And unfortunately, that's that's the hardest part for people is you might make a few changes, and you start feeling a little bit better. But then that's, then there's kind of that line in the sand, right? It's like, well, no, I know, I have to do this. And I don't know if I'm really willing to do it, you know. So it's like, ooh, pump the brakes here. Oh, I made changes, I feel good about it. Let's just leave it. You know. And so we kind of check the box, right? I made changes to be healthier. But we know that there's much more to do. But because we have that immediate status, you know, satisfaction. And we're like, okay, I checked the box, that's good to go. We don't move past that point. So I think that's what we do with fire Tim whiskey, a sure we'll get you started. But we're going to introduce you to some concepts that are taking leaps and bounds further in your journey than you could ever think was possible, just because we're just introducing you to these concepts that gets you faster progress. Right. And that's what we all want. Right? And and it's not this, you know, magical pill concept or a shot, you know, in the in the ass every two weeks, and you know, I'm gonna magically lose this weight. Well, what happens when I stopped taking shots? When nobody asked that question, but
Keith McKeever 37:08
whatever, we stopped doing the diet, you know, lose 1015 pounds. And then next thing you know, they've gained 2025 back.
Stephanie Lincoln 37:17
Exactly. And here's the thing, though, it's like, you also have to, there's this thing that we live in called a human body, right? And nobody knows anything about their own body. Right? You have to learn about your body first. And the way it works. We just assume like, oh, well, I heard that you just cut your calories and you lose weight. Well, what if that stops working? Okay, now what now you know nothing about your body, you don't even know why you lose weight because you reduced your calories. What's happening biologically in your body that makes that work? Oh, 99% of people have no idea. So that's what we do with farting whiskies, you actually learn about your own human biology and you learn how to hack it, basically, and work with it. Because most of the, you know, diet plans and fitness plans out there are working against your body's natural systems, it's setting you up for failure, it may work short term, but in the long term, it'll stop working. And then because you learn nothing. You have nowhere to go. And you're just going to sit there and go, Well, I'm not getting results anymore. And I don't know why. And then we get into this weird, like crazy spiral called insanity, because that's the definition, right? We do the same thing over and over again, expecting different results. I'm sure we all can raise your hand
Keith McKeever 38:38
for something Yeah, sure. Right. So
Stephanie Lincoln 38:40
get you out of that loop. Right, you're done with that. Because you will always have a new like technique you can use to get you past that plateau. It's all about amping up your game, going to the next level, understanding your biology enough to try different things. And that's what I tell all my clients when they start working with me, I was just meeting with a client yesterday. And we talked about the same exact thing. I said, this is awesome, because we've been working together for like five months now. And I'm like, Okay, we have we've tried all these different tools, we've tried probably 10 things, right? Well, five of them have worked great. Imagine you have a toolbox next to you, we've got five tools in there to work to that we know works for you and your body. So we can rotate through those every time you hit a plateau. Boom, okay, I'm going to take this tool, I'm gonna put it back on my toolbox. I've got another one in there. I know. It's proven. It works for me, boom, I'm gonna start implementing this doing this for 30 days. And then I'll start making progress again. And it's always natural techniques, things that you can do anywhere, anytime, no matter what circumstance. So it's not a magic pill. It's not a shot. It's not some crazy extreme thing.
Keith McKeever 39:51
So we're just talking that you got to put together like mix this, this, this and this together. Drink it three times a day. Like melts away. Go out
Stephanie Lincoln 39:59
and You know, do three backflips under a full moon, like, whatever. Like, it's natural stuff that our ancestors have been doing for for 1000s of years that help them be healthy. And they never had a pill or a dentist or a doctor, and they survived just fine. So you can too, it's just you have to understand your biology and how to use these techniques to make your biology work for you.
Keith McKeever 40:26
It'd be really cool to know, cuz I know I've had those situations where I hit a plateau. You know, I lost about 15 1518 pounds about two years ago, and I've been at the point where I've maintained it. But I know that the neck I mean, we just got to take that next step and push a little harder. Do you know do certain things but that's, that's tough to hit that plateau. And sometimes it's just easy to hit it and be like, Okay, well, I feel better. That next step, you know, like, I probably need to eat more vegetables. You know, my wife's been trying to get me to go basically vegetarian. And I'm like, Ah, like me too much. That's a hard one. You know, there's just certain things it's, well, I feel me harder to do. But
Stephanie Lincoln 41:14
I'm very, very clear that fire it for fire team. Fighting whiskey is not a vegetarian or vegan program, we do have one vegetarian plan. And I will work with you if you are that. But actually we are very animal based. And And again, all the research supports the consumption of animal based products. So again, we're biohacking. That's what our ancestors did. It works for us the research is there, it shows that it works for you, then that's what we do.
Keith McKeever 41:45
Now, if you think back about 1000s of years, right to Neanderthals, and those ancestors I getting meat would have been difficult, it would require teamwork, and a lot of physical endurance, and it wouldn't have had meat every day. If you watch Animal Planet, you'll find that like, I think when I hear a cheetah, a cheetah will be successful getting a gazelle once every like 20 chases, or something like that even the fastest animal in the world. Who's a natural born Hunter cannot always get meat every day. Right? So our ancestors were doing it. They were eating berries, fruits, you know?
Stephanie Lincoln 42:26
Whatever, season whatever they could find. Sometimes they didn't eat for days at a time. Have you? Have you ever gone a day in your life without eating?
Keith McKeever 42:34
No, I don't think I have most Americans.
Stephanie Lincoln 42:37
Right? That's another biohack fasting. Oh, that's woowoo. That's weird. No, it's not. That's how we're still here. As human beings, you think that our ancestors had just like could roll out to the Dunkin Donuts when they're hungry. Like, they went through long periods of time without food, why our biology is built to support that we have this amazing source of food that we carry around with us 24/7 It's called body fat. That's why it's there. So you have to learn how to get your body to tap into that. There's specific ways to do that. Fasting is one of them. And that's a that's a technique we introduce our fire team members to usually after about 30 days, on our nutrition coaching programs.
Keith McKeever 43:25
Yeah, cuz there's more than enough stuff out there that's going to help you go the wrong way on the body fat. I mean, so much of the fast food and everything is all about convenience. These days. We talked about energy drinks, but there's so much other stuff out there and it's just straight up garbage.
Stephanie Lincoln 43:42
Well, even the time that how long you eat. So there's research done out there this is establish that a majority of Americans eat 18 hours a day, 18 hours a day. So the minute they wake up, they put something in their mouth that it has calories in it. And from the time they go to sleep, they put something in their mouth that has calories in it. And sometimes even in the middle of the night they can put something in their mouth with calories in it if we even just there's a research out there that just says if you just shortened your window to eight hours you should lose about 20 to 30% of of your your body eight hours
Keith McKeever 44:26
between the first meal and the last meal. Correct? Yeah, okay. Yeah 18 hours Wow.
Stephanie Lincoln 44:33
Yes, yeah. If you think about it, that makes sense because a majority of Americans are consuming caloric you know, calories in their their drinks. So, you know, they may wake up and have coffee with a bunch of sugary creamer and sugar in it. And then you know, they're drinking sodas and sweet teas all day and energy drinks and then all the way up until maybe bedtime. They've got a drink beside their their You know, like their bed, maybe it's a sweet tea, maybe it's a soda, it's endless, you know. So you're constantly triggering that that insulin release, that the all the inflammatory systems that that happen when you have a higher blood sugar response, your digestion is constantly going, it never gets a break. And so that causes some issues with a gut and you know, everybody's hearing about how important gut health is, this is just, you know, fairly new science with we're basically discovering that, you know, the gut is basically just as important as the brain, that's your second brain. That's been, it's been called your second brain. And if you're not dealing with your gut health issues, then nothing else is going to improve your health. So it starts in the gut. So if you're doing things that that are harming your gut, to, to include eating anything with like chemicals in it, that if, like you said, if you turn over and you look at the ingredients, and there are things that you have no idea what they are, that means they're not food, that means your human biology was not designed to digest that. So guess what's happening in the gut when your body attempts to digest it? Not good things. And, and that's the thing, it's like, there's always that kind of level of denial. I mean, we're very good at that, you know, Freud was it was very happy to discuss this issue. And you know, there's a lot of that not in my backyard thing, well, it'll won't happen to me. I can drink energy drinks, and they don't affect me. It's like, who are you? Why do you think you're special? Like this is just because you say it out loud? Or you wish it or you believe it's not going to happen? doesn't make it true? You have the same biology as I do. We all do. So just you're just gonna magically think these chemicals aren't are doing any kind of harm to your body? You know, denial is not, it's not a river in Egypt, right? Yeah, it's happening right now and your mind, it's not going to keep you from getting sick. It's not going to keep you from having chronic health conditions. And you know, it's not about really, it's not about the food you eat, it's about how the food was created. Is it really food? Does your body even recognize it as food? And 74%? of what's in the grocery stores? The answer is now.
Keith McKeever 47:25
Doesn't surprise me at all. Yes. All the chemicals and everything that are sprayed on our food and the way things are manufactured, and the additives to make things sweeter, or make them more colorful, things like that. We definitely live in a different world these days. And then if you think about even our grandparents generation, you know, the the world war two generation before, they didn't have technology, they had to work with their hands all day, they were more physically active. They didn't eat in excess, they didn't have all the McDonald's and all the fast food joints. And they had to prepare everything by hand.
Stephanie Lincoln 48:03
Right? It was more of a it came locally, right? It was, even if they had a brochure, it was the stuff in there was from local farms and produce places, right? I mean, your food didn't travel that far to get to you. It was fairly fresh nowadays, you go into a grocery store, that banana right there probably flew to 2000 miles to be on that shelf. You know, so it's like, at that point, is it really food?
Keith McKeever 48:30
Yeah. Probably living into their, you know, well, past 100. You know, it's crazy to think about the life expectancy is like 78, or something like that. And then you see people of that generation living to 100. I've got a friend that's 97. Yeah, still dropped. Like he could still drive. He's still like, it's incredible.
Stephanie Lincoln 48:50
And that's, and that's what the science and the last, I think two years in a row for the first time in like 100 years, I think it is, our average life expectancy has gone down. So we're actually going in reverse now. So we are not living longer anymore each year. Now we are living less longer. And I believe if we weren't so technology, technologically advanced as far as like our medications, I think, you know, you have to look at quality of life too. So, you know, you encounter some people I you know, I do a lot of like volunteer work with our Women's Army Corps, and with these older veterans, and it's like, the quality of life like they're, they're basically walking corpses, you know, it's like they are not vibrant, and they're not in they're in pain and they're suffering and they're highly medicated or they have dementia. And they the rise of dementia and Alzheimer's is directly correlated with our type two diabetes rates which have skyrocketed and what are all those was linked to commercial industrialization of our foods. When when we created grocery stores and packaged foods, you'll see the direct correlation of all these chronic health issues that rarely ever happened before heart attacks, cancer, Alzheimer's, diabetes, it was so rare. And then you just see the skyrocketing of these conditions going along with our commercial industrialization of food products. And I say food products because they're not really food, you can't call them food, it's a food product.
Keith McKeever 50:39
That's definitely a good way of looking at it. I mean, it's easy to think about it as food. But yeah, when, when an overwhelming majority of that item is made in a laboratory, or made in some way, shape or form, is it it's not really food, I mean, you grow a garden, and you pull some lettuce from that you throw it on a plate. That's, that's food, you can see from the garden know where it's at. But, you know, it's, yeah, there's a lot of junk out there. Well, if you're in a grocery store, it amazes me, there's certain it's, and I'm still guilty of that we all are, you know, you, you pick up something, he knows crap, and you still eat it. Right?
Stephanie Lincoln 51:18
That comes down to, you know, again, it's that mindset set shift, right? So, you know, there's this kind of question of convenience, you know, with that always comes up, you know, in coaching and, and nutrition coaching, fitness coaching, it's, you know, how can we make this as convenient as possible, and, you know, integrate this into your life. And that's always like, Priority One, for me working with clients, is I'm not going to give you a plan, that's completely unsustainable for, you know, your lifestyle. I do have certain clients who eat some processed foods, you know, as minimally, but sometimes they do. And it's, you know, it's kind of it's a compromise, too, you know, Otherwise, they wouldn't be making any effort at all. So I'd rather make you have you make some effort and start making some progress and feeling better, and maybe that will be reinforcement enough to, you know, slowly start phasing some of these things out of your life. And, you know, hopefully, that's what it is. If not, then I'd rather you just do that, then nothing at all right?
Keith McKeever 52:24
Yeah, I felt this better
Stephanie Lincoln 52:25
than nothing, right? Yeah. Yeah. But and but I also always want you to be looking towards making progress. So it's, it's a long term focus, instead of just like a short term, I want to lose this amount of weight, and then be done with this. I don't work with clients like that, because that's just silly. I mean, that's unsustainable. There's plenty of people out there who will take your money and be glad to do that with you. Like, I'm not interested, like, you know, there's, they can do that with somebody else. So, if you're, you're willing to kind of start being open minded, and you know, just adding some things over time and making slight changes. And then eventually, when you went back, you know, 510 years later, you're like, wow, like, my nutrition and my lifestyle look completely different than they did 10 years ago. And it was just that slow, sustainable movement towards optimal health. But you also have to understand and internalize that this is also what you deserve. You deserve optimal health. Nobody deserves to be medicated, and chronically ill and miserable for the rest of their life and have that to look forward to. Right.
Keith McKeever 53:42
Yeah, the quality of life is huge. Like you mentioned, the elderly people. And I've always said, whatever, I leave this earth, I want it to be as pain free as possible. But I want it to happen before I lose all quality of life. I do not want to sit in a nursing home. You know, urinating all over yourself and having somebody spoon feed you?
Stephanie Lincoln 54:06
Yeah, but here's the deal. What's the difference between being a 28. So I'll use myself as an example, you know, a 28 year old woman who was on seven different medications and in and out of the doctor's office and chronically ill and always in pain, and always having a headache and having blood sugar swings all over the place to the point where she can't even drive anymore. And having like, every doctor's visit being more and more frustrating, because it's just Well, let's try this medication. Oh, that one's not working. Well, let's try this 24 years old, and that's it becomes normal. Right? And I think that's the danger. And this is because our society at large is so chronically ill. It's normal 74% Americans are either obese or overweight. That's normal. I am abnormal. I'm weird. I'm weird as fuck, because I'm in great shape. I'm 42 years old and on no medications. I've vibey fat under 20%. I have no mental health issues, I have no chronic health issues. I'm perfectly healthy. I'm weird, I'm abnormal. So it's Yeah, I mean, the norm is sick, the norm is medicated, the norm is overweight. So now we're looking at kind of a cultural shift that we're encountering in our in our society. And this is kind of what inspired for our team luskey, because I saw the cultural shift in the military. It was like, this is the normal now, you know, being a 22 year old soldier on, you know, all these medications. And with all these aches and pains and complaints, and getting your teeth pulled because you have so many cavities. That's normal. I object to that shit. I highly object to that. And if that doesn't make you furious, I don't know what else will. Because that infuriates me to believe that I accepted that for myself for so long. And that other veterans are doing the very same thing right now. That lights a fire under me, that pisses me off. It pisses me off that two out of four veterans who go get care at the VA are type two diabetics, that is a completely preventable disease, it should not exist. It shouldn't exist, we can cure it tomorrow.
Keith McKeever 56:48
They just want to hand out pills. You know, and just stop, here's your pills, take it we'll reassess in six months.
Stephanie Lincoln 56:55
And, you know, fine, you know, I don't as much as you know, they're doing the wrong thing. And I'm a licensed medical provider, I'm a licensed mental health counselor, I have a state medical license. And when we sign up for that, and we do our boards and all that stuff, our very first, you know, ethics thing that we go through and check the box and say I agree to this is do no harm. And that's the number one question we should be asking ourselves, and I'm challenging you Licensed Mental medical providers out there? Are you doing harm? The answer is yes.
Keith McKeever 57:36
That's a good point,
Stephanie Lincoln 57:37
our medical system is doing harm. And because it's not, it's our standard of care, because we don't know what to do, because we can't force people to change their behavior. So it's easier for us to just give you a pill. And that's what happens. You know, you come in, okay, you have type two diabetes, we've talked to you about your weight, we've talked to you about your nutrition, you've done nothing about it. Now you're a full blown type two diabetic, we're not going to trust you to change your behavior, here's your pill, here's your injections. You know, so it's, there's kind of that apathy and frustration that happens in these medical fields. And it's, it's gotten, you know, so bad because of the, you know, the this, the healthcare systems and the insurance, and, you know, you can only spend five minutes with your doctor, and you know, they're not going to sit there and give you advice about your lifestyle. And, you know, nine times out of 10 your doctor themselves are suffering from some chronic health condition. Yeah, you know, I just challenge you to decide that I am choosing to exit this system, this system is the way it is, there's probably this is a moving train to stop in it, it's going to go run off that cliff, it's gonna take as many people with it as possible, I'm jumping off the damn train. It's gonna hurt, it's gonna suck. But you know what, I'd rather do that and do the hard work and get on this path myself and fix myself than to stay on this train that I know is going to be plummeting off this cliff. Because that's just the way we're doing it. This is just the way we do it. Now I reject that,
Keith McKeever 59:19
you would think that the VA would go back to the you know, put some pressure on the Department of Defense and say, Look, we're seeing all these issues coming out of service. What are you doing to make sure that these trips are taken care of while in service physically, mentally, make sure that there's you know, probably one of the worst things that ever happened was putting Burger King and fast food joints on military I know I know a guy wants to go to Burger King twice a day on shift you know, and it's just like, you know that I don't have no idea where the guys at these days but the good news is there is a way out. You know, it like you said it's gonna be painful for a little while but you guys have the app and I know you've got correct me if I'm wrong, another four or five trainers?
Stephanie Lincoln 1:00:05
With you? Yeah, five trainers. Okay, I were six maybe, um, and yeah, and, and we, we all kind of specialize in different things, you know, I'm obviously kind of the more mental health, mental health nutrition aspect, you know, I have more like kind of law enforcement type fitness trainers, I've got a, a guy who's still in the army, who's a master fitness trainer in the army, he's more kind of a sports and kind of bodybuilding and stuff. So, you know, we have people who have lots of different specialties, but, you know, whatever, buddy, signs up for when, no matter who you are with fire team whiskey, is you have to be open to, you know, learning about your biology, and, you know, trying these, you know, maybe things that you think might be woowoo. But guess what, they're backed by science, and they work. And they've worked for hundreds of 1000s of people all over the world, if not millions, and they, they work for our members. So you're going to get a systemic approach that's research based, that is going to walk you step by step to making small, incremental changes, changing your behavior, changing and implementing a plan that works for your, your lifestyle, right, so we're not going to give you something you can't implement, and it's just impossible,
Keith McKeever 1:01:24
because I'm not doing a 300 mile endurance race.
Stephanie Lincoln 1:01:28
We meet you where you're at, and, you know, we go from there. So, you know, it's, it may look a little hardcore, because we are military, you know, centered, obviously, but it's more focused on that kind of camaraderie. And, you know, we all have this kind of shared background and experiences. And, you know, it's it's kind of that that style, obviously, but, you know, and then accountability, that's what we're, you're you hired me to do this holding you accountable. We're not, you know, I'm not gonna go okay.
Keith McKeever 1:01:58
Well, that's, that's okay. You can do it next week.
Stephanie Lincoln 1:02:02
I say, you need to get back on plan. This is what you agreed to this, you're paying me to do. That's it. That's the bottom line. So you know, if you no longer agree with that, it's just it's that growing pains, you need to get out of your own way you need to look in the mirror.
Keith McKeever 1:02:17
Absolutely. So for the for the listeners out there who don't see it, I do have a scrolling across the bottom Fire Team whiskey.com. I'll have it in the show notes. I'll have the link to the app and everything in there too, so that people can find it nice and easy. But what kind of things other than the accountability and some of those things? What, what are some of the stuff people would actually see in the app that they can kind of interact with some of the things that can do?
Stephanie Lincoln 1:02:38
Yeah, our app is really awesome. First of all, you have, we have literally 1000s of exercise videos, workout plans, workout systems, every kind of, you know, if you only have this specific amount of equipment, you can search for type of equipment. So maybe you want to work with the TRX you just type in the search TRX all of our suspension system training comes up, we have hundreds of recipes, we have hundreds of what's called warrior wellness, and we're your fuel videos. So we actually have our own cooking videos, we have our own recipes as well, we have I think up to 15 different kind of packaged eating plans where you can kind of DIY it, or if you do our battle buddy program, then you work one on one with a coach and we put you on a customized nutrition plan. So that's macros all that kind of stuff, we give you specific eating plans, and then also customize your fitness program. So we kind of have a dry program and then we have a battle buddy one on one program. So we also have a really cool like group in there. So it's kind of a message texting kind of, you know, interactive group. So we're posting our you know, our flex Friday pictures or you know, our post workout selfies or maybe you know, celebrating small scale victories we're encouraging each other and then we have really fun about monthly we have like challenges for prizes. Oh, and where else are you earning rewards for the amount of workouts you you do so we have like an earning program. So if you do, like 50 workouts, then you you get a fire Tim whiskey water bottle, if you do 100 You get that you know, so as as you go along, you get rewarded for your hard work. And then we have fun challenges. We'll do you know specific like seven day suspension fitness challenge, or we'll do one of our programs like Coach Tommy, you know, for like 14 days or we just got done with it. We had a fire team whiskey book club where we ate we read the book, eat smarter by Sean Stephenson, which is an excellent book. And so we went you know, write a chapter each week and we discussed it on the chat area and, you know, everybody kind of learned a lot and then we kind of expanded upon that and help people improve The specific things that we're thinking they were learning about in a book in their lives. And what else we got, oh, we have, you can track your progress. You take your progress pictures, you can put your measurements and your body weight in there. And you can text a trainer anytime, you know. So we monitor our text so you can text if you have a question at like seven o'clock at night, like, Hey, I'm not really sure how to do this exercise or what about this food and you take a picture, send in one of our trainers, and will will answer you back.
Keith McKeever 1:05:33
That sounds interesting text to picture. What about this food? I'm sure you see all kinds of things on their
Stephanie Lincoln 1:05:42
time the answer is, do you really want to know what I think are? questions
Keith McKeever 1:05:48
you're asking? Yeah, you probably already know the answer that
Stephanie Lincoln 1:05:51
there's a question about it. You probably shouldn't
Keith McKeever 1:05:53
be that there should be that filter. Nobody ever
Stephanie Lincoln 1:05:56
said that about kale.
Keith McKeever 1:06:01
I can't think of many reasons why to eat kale is gross. It's one of those green things right? Just yeah, we're gonna find a way to make it taste good. Have it folks fire team whiskey.com Once again, scroll to the bottom all the links will be in there. So go check it out. Go follow them if you need that extra push. There is a resource for you. So Stephanie, I appreciate you coming on the show and telling us about fire team whiskey and a lot of other stuff about nutrition and mindset and all that stuff. So I appreciate you being on.
Stephanie Lincoln 1:06:33
Yeah, thanks for having me, Keith.
