For Army veteran Caleb Blair sitting back and doing nothing for Ukraine was just not an option. After deciding to do something and running it past fellow veteran and founder of Operation Phantom Support, Nick Valentine, Caleb and a small team started gathering funds and medical supplies to assist in the humanitarian needs of displaced and injured Ukrainians. With ever changing needs on the ground, Operation Phantom Support Ukraine is need of support. To help their cause please consider a monetary or physical donation of supplies or share within your networks to other who may be able to help!

Current Needs as of mid April:

-Physostigmine,

-Dipiroximum,

-Atropine

-EpiPen(Epinephrine) adrenaline auto injections

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Transcript from Episode 47 with Caleb Blair:

Keith McKeever 0:08

Welcome back to another episode of the battle buddy podcast. I've got Caleb glitter with me today. For you started this as an interview this is this this episode's gonna be called helping Ukraine. Obviously we all know everything has been going on in Ukraine, Caleb's gonna probably give us a little bit more information than what's actually going down on the ground, what him and operation kind of support is doing to help. So without further ado, Kayla, welcome to the show.

Caleb Blair 0:31

He's what's going on, man, thanks so much for having me.

Keith McKeever 0:33

Yeah, it's a pleasure to to highlight man. And it's a pleasure to see fellow veterans out there. You know, when when something goes off in the world, just say, You know what, the shit ain't right, we're gonna do something about it, we're gonna help where we can, you know, and taking thoughts and putting them into action. So I appreciate you taking the lead on that.

Caleb Blair 0:53

Man, I haven't done that much. But I appreciate the sport.

Keith McKeever 0:57

You know, what you do is something. And that's, that's something. So you got to keep it in perspective, you know, a little something is a little something. And those little somethings all add up to something big.

Caleb Blair 1:07

A whole lot of people do it a little something makes it Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Keith McKeever 1:10

So you know, what's good. Give us a little background on who was Caleb, and what was your military journey? And what gets you today?

Caleb Blair 1:18

Yeah, so I don't have probably what you would expect for the military journey, right? For a guy that goes into on a podcast and is doing what you would assume is cool guy shit and Ukraine, right? I nobody special did did a little bit of time as an investor in in the airborne community up here in Alaska, and then got kicked out two and a half years in, I had some behavioral issues from some childhood trauma, and then just wasn't all there in finger for service at the time, honestly, you know, I came out of a super rough childhood and straight into the army at 17 and wasn't necessarily prepared for it. I wouldn't go as far as to say that, you know, this the situation that was around my separation warranted separation, there's a lot of kind of political drama involved with it, you know, my squad leader, you know, when as far as to say on on, on record, that, you know, he would have done the exact same thing that I would have done in this situation. And, you know, just all that, to say that, you know, I didn't have this crazy military background, right, like, I did a little bit of time in military and got out and kind of moved on with my life. You know, that wasn't easy. I struggled with it struggle with an identity piece that was really missing there. And just because I didn't have one before the military, right, and so then I thought I had one there and all the stupid T shirts, and you know, it was the typical boot for a while and you know, I there's a lot of people that probably, if you look at me now and then maybe back then are laughing a little Caleb baby back lawyer was the nickname that I had. But, yeah, I got out of the military and struggle with addiction and drinking and just that typical downward spiral story that you hear about with veterans that they get separated and don't really have a path forward. And I stumbled into entrepreneurship because I couldn't find a job and my trade is a carpenter that would really give me the time to take half a day off a week to go to therapy. And so I was like, okay, cool, you know, I'll be a handyman and I'll pay my bills at 35,000 40,000 a year and be happy and start from there. And pretty quickly I was running crews doing the kitchen and bathroom models and just like fell in love with the hustle you know, with the game with the business side of of using my brain and that was five years ago now. And so since then just been all over the place here entrepreneur with ADHD write down a little bit of everything. Currently, I own marketing agency, but when you know when Russia invaded Ukraine i i sat there for the first three days and you know, shared a shared Ukraine flag shooting the news, you know, did what I thought was my part for lack of better words, but couldn't shake the feeling that you know, like inaction is is no better than bad action, right? Like that phrase that all it takes is for evil to see this for good men do nothing. Right and dark point. And another phrase that came to mind is what is the difference between those that can and those that do right besides literal action? You know, it's what they do not matter of if you could or couldn't write your if you had the gifts and talents to be able to facilitate or do or help? If you didn't, then you did and it didn't matter if you had the talents or not, they were they might as well be non existent. Right. It's like being if you're Albert Einstein, but you If you spend your whole life drinking it away, if that makes sense, and you don't do anything with it, then you're not actually out grind sign. And so Absolutely. Just kind of like a self challenge there, I think in a way, right? Like, there's a lot of that impostor syndrome at first. And it's still, I mean, don't get me wrong every day. But like, especially before anything happened, right? Like, well, who are you killed? You're just a kid that got kicked out of the Army, you know, and like, have just struggled to make ends meet since then have found some things you enjoy doing? Right? But

Caleb Blair 5:35

who are you? Right? And I kind of just stepped out in faith, right? I was like, I don't know what I can do. I don't know where I'll be, I don't know what it'll come to. But however, I can't help, I want to help, I just want to do something, right, I just want to make myself available to the universe to God, to divine intervention to, you know, use me however it needs, you know, it sees fit. And since then, it's totally become not about me in any way, shape, or form. But just kind of the things that I guess that action inspired. And that makes sense. Like I'm not, I am in no way shape, or form the primary focus point of the operation, right. Like, there's so much going on, there's so many people doing such great things that I'm just trying to help share their message nowadays, it makes sense. Like, I'm totally makes sense. And Ukraine, I'm not doing the work, like I'm just trying to help get their message out there. But even just me stepping out, and that little bit of action, saying that, you know, I'll do something, then kick started so much more than I could have ever anticipated. Not that, you know, is due to your calls by me, but was caused by that first start of action, that first little step, you have

Keith McKeever 6:42

a spark, it just it just takes one spark To start a forest fire. Bad analogy, but

Caleb Blair 6:50

Right, but it's, and I think that that's something you know, if anybody walks away with this, it's, I don't want them to walk with that it's the tiniest little spark, can burn down an entire state, right. And you can be that spark, and that you know, in your small community, in your teams, and your organizations and your businesses, and your VFW churches, whatever it may be, you can be the spark that really start something big. And, you know, here we are, seven, eight weeks later, right? crazy to believe it's been that long already. But we've now established just school supply chains coming up through Romania, and into Ukraine with coordinating specifically to Kyiv and Buka and RPN. In those other areas that have been hard hit up there. We've been getting our hands on as much medical supplies as we can do that quantity has been limited, everybody across the board is stretched thin right now. But then also, you know, humanitarian aid diapers formula, you know, medicine, right, like people are dying from diabetes and lack of cancer,

Keith McKeever 7:58

a lot of basic needs when you have a bunch of people leaving home,

Caleb Blair 8:02

you know, millions of people that left everything and walked away and are now you know, not just without anything themselves, but then also tapping into and I don't say this word in a negative way, but draining local infrastructure that they then go into, right. And so Romania, Poland, their infrastructure, their pharmacies are wiped out there. You know, it's it's so much more of a humanitarian crisis than people realize, even with just the war itself, if that makes sense. And there's so many people and children that are dying from avoidable causes that don't even have, you know, necessarily any relation to trauma karma. You know, what, that was a little bit in dyslexic moment, I think, but combat trauma.

Keith McKeever 8:45

Now, it's a ripple effect. It just comes out. And I'm sure you probably see the supply chain issues throughout Europe, the closer you get to, you know, France and England. You know, I'm sure there's like this logistical issue with filling those things in because you're right, all those people in those in those countries, they need medical supplies, they need their stuff at their equivalent to CVS and Walgreens

Caleb Blair 9:10

100% and even where we can find it, we can't buy it because there's no funding, you know, and so, it's, you know, I keep wanting to point back to that people keep saying, Oh, well, the war's over the wars. You know, it's, it's turned upside down. First of all, that's not true at all. It's the break. Even today, we're starting to see news come out of Russian troop movements and mobilizations that are going to start making massive operations, you know, against areas like Kharkiv and Don boss and these other areas, you know, that are now becoming the, the, the true frontlines of the war, for lack of better words. And it just because we took a stall here for two weeks, doesn't mean that it's over. It doesn't mean by any stretch of the imagination, that it's in rear view. And I think that a lot of Americans are currently feeling that way, right. But not even recognizing the years of rebuilding and effort that it's going to take to put everything back, we have entire cities that are leveled, you know, people are going back home, and they don't want to go back to

Keith McKeever 10:17

the houses because they even with, you know, even if we like, right now, we're notified that the war's over, and Russia is going back home. Even if that were the case, you're right, beyond the actual infrastructure, the buildings, the roads, the bridges, everything needs to be rebuilt, you have these basic human needs that are going to have to happen, you're going to have logistics of people having to go home at some point, you know, you would imagine most of these refugees would go home, and they need all that stuff now, and on that journey, and when they get back home, you know, like you said, diapers,

Caleb Blair 10:50

and not just at home, but how long does it take to rebuild the entire community? You know, I mean, literally leveled, there's nothing there, there's not a grocery store to put the groceries into, there's not you know, there's not refrigerators to store fresh items. There's not refrigerators to store medications advocate to cold, right, there's, there's so many things that people don't think about, when it comes to just basic aspects of humanity that are involved here, that extend so much deeper than seeing somebody that's shot in the leg is awful. That is that is, you know, or seeing somebody that you know, is a victim of an artillery strike, or whatever it may be like, that's what's grasping the forefront of the news. And because that might be dying down right now for a few days, a few weeks here, doesn't mean that people are dying from other reasons that are totally avoidable. That simply are happening because of a lack of help. Right? Like, I mean, it's, it's, that's what it boils down to.

Keith McKeever 11:52

Yeah, and the people of Ukraine are gonna need a lot of help for years, it the supply chain issues of just getting in and clearing the roads, clearing the building sites, doing whatever they have to do in their country to build a new home, to build a new SkyRise to build a new bridge, whatever, to get the materials to get the people to work on it. This is something that could set, you know, it could set back a generation. We're not talking years,

Caleb Blair 12:23

you know, even Yeah, where people are starting to come back into. We have a team member in Kyiv. Right now that the missile strikes that hit give last night were last night, local time to me here in Alaska, early morning for them are just a few kilometers, yes, that's a mile or less from from where he was at. And that's an area that refugees are starting to come back into. Right. And so they're coming back into areas that aren't even safe anymore, that aren't even finished with combat, for lack of better words, there's so many other things that could be coming up and and we'd still such an uncertain future as to what could happen. You know, it's, I hate to say it, but who's to say you don't start rebuilding and in the process as to start back over ground zero because the Russians made more in advance than were anticipated. Right? Like, these are all things that nobody's considering you're talking about, right? And if we do find ourselves in those scenarios, we're going to be starting back from ground 00. We had to start back over because we stopped, you know, and it's just not realistic. So your life? Yeah, I

Keith McKeever 13:28

think a lot of people maybe can't see that I know, is veterans, we have a unique perspective on what it takes to wage a war. And and if it's not over, you know, I mean, I served from 2006 2011. You know, both deployments were in Iraq. And, you know, while I wasn't out there on the streets, I know, we devastated that country, you know, and it's going to be set back for a very, very long time. A lot of what you do is rebuilding, build, rebuild that infrastructure while you're there. You know, we're talking about a war between two other countries, and we're on the outside looking in, and we're supporting how we can but when it's all done, they've got a lot of rebuilding. So, you know, this is this is a long term thing. It's fluid, it's gonna change, things go up and down. I think it's important for people to realize that sometimes, like God, there's more to going on and what the media shows. So you right now, one of the biggest things that you're doing is trying to get medical supplies. Is there certain types of medical supplies or is it just funding that you're looking for right now?

Caleb Blair 14:30

So there are specific here, let me Sorry, I guess I could have been a little more prepared for that. I have a list right here of four specific medications that we're desperately trying to get our hands on. But what people might assume is probably accurate, we need to combat combat trauma care. So your T Triple C we need you tourniquets we need chest seals, we need chest cod compression kits we need NPAs like surgical any kind of neurology is another high thing and anesthesia. If anybody has connections to those hospital connections that might be able to facilitate a donation to a nonprofit, we can pick it up from you and get it all the way to Ukraine. But I can give these to you to maybe pop up on the screen, Senator.

Keith McKeever 15:22

Yeah, absolutely. Or you just give them to me and I'll put them in the show notes and everything like that. That way it's listed over easy for people. Yeah, I'm

Caleb Blair 15:28

gonna butcher the pronunciation here.

Keith McKeever 15:30

Hey, you know what, so what I medical stuff is not my kind of thing.

Keith McKeever 15:35

This

Caleb Blair 15:38

face so tinge mean, D proxy numb, atrophying in EpiPens of events. Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, are pretty. The veteran community at least, you know, as Europeans, commonly known in Epi pens, adrenaline auto injections are super needed as well right now.

Keith McKeever 16:01

Yeah, you know, a lot some of that makes sense. And, and I wouldn't ever thought about, you know, the neurology stuff and, and anesthesia stuff. But that makes sense. I mean, people got to have surgery, you know, and especially, to go through a surgery with a

Caleb Blair 16:16

hospital bed sheets, you know, and so

Keith McKeever 16:19

now, are those specifically like a specific size or those more like just twin size sheets? sterile? Sterile like prepackaged sterile? Okay. Make sense? Yeah.

Caleb Blair 16:30

You know, because as you can imagine, are you using blood blind

Keith McKeever 16:34

bedsheets? Yeah, not not ideal? Is it?

Caleb Blair 16:37

You know, it's adding insult to injury that point, you know, it's just opening up all of those preventative care issues that could, you know, should be avoided in the modern day medicine, right? Or don't need to be training people in the dirt for lack of better words.

Keith McKeever 16:55

Yeah, definitely not advisable, you know, give you the best tools you can and it increases your survival rate. You know, I've read things about just the just the survival rate of being able to airlift somebody out, you know, just just that critical time, I'll be able to get somebody out of the combat zone.

Caleb Blair 17:12

Yeah, they refer to it as a golden hour. Yep. And that's what you mentioned a minute ago, those teachers will see that combat trauma care. That is, those are the primary functions of those such critical medical equipment is helping patients get through that, that golden hour, right? If you have, if you're suffering from a tension pneumothorax, you're not going to survive unless you re inflate along for more than an hour. Right? If you unless you relieve the negative air pressure, and the torsos so that lung can re inflate again, they don't have an hour. If you have someone with a gunshot wound and arterial bleeding or an amputation, they don't have an hour. You know, it's this tourniquet. It's the chest seal. It's the chest needle decompression. It's the NPA, it's all of these other combat life saving critical supplies that make it make that difference in that golden hour.

Keith McKeever 18:07

Yeah, you mentioned you had a guy on the ground and Keith is, is he they're just coordinating logistics and funneling information back for you guys.

Caleb Blair 18:15

For the most part, he's, I mean, and so much more whatever he can get his his hands whenever you can do right, right. Yeah, so he's currently buying groceries as often as we can get money to him a little bit south where they're available, and then driving back up, and then they pre loaded him into bags, you know, like family size potato sacks. And that one bag will feed a family for a week, and then they get those bags out to you know, those areas and Buka and urban areas that haven't had running water, food or electricity in four or five weeks, you know, since the Russians showed up, that are just now for the first time seeing Ukrainian friendly faces again.

Keith McKeever 18:50

And any idea? You know, how many people are really come back to those areas now? Is it is it a lot of people migrating back in?

Caleb Blair 18:58

I wouldn't say so. Knowing my knowledge is gonna lead me to say no, that not that's factual answer, but some people are,

Keith McKeever 19:05

I mean, you would hope that like a lot of people would be holding off from going back home and light of the situation could change real quick,

Caleb Blair 19:11

it depends on how far people went if they left the country, then not as present would not happen if they just went to their ease, like true nifty or the Vive or, you know, these other Western southern areas that were more hospitable to you know, a family environment for lack of better words that were active combat zones. You know, that's four to eight hours away. And so a lot of those individuals are starting to come back because they are you know, just within proximity.

Keith McKeever 19:39

I can't imagine the making a tough decision like that, you know, you sitting there for six, eight hours away and you know, living in a temporary situation and decide, well, do I stay and live here? Or do I go back home

Caleb Blair 19:55

like that's the reality is like your your you and your family are sleeping on the floor in a stranger's

Keith McKeever 19:59

home Exactly, completely temporary, hopefully temporary situation, you know, you got a way that between the risks of going home to the unknown to one

Caleb Blair 20:10

up and even it's the third option is to leave the country entirely, right? It's like go start a new life somewhere, you know, to give up on everything you've ever known and to go find a new home with a new culture and a new language and a new way of life that you've never experienced and try to raise the family there. Right. Like the the circumstances that each one of these families and the decisions they're having to make are just heartbreaking. They're absolutely heart wrenching.

Keith McKeever 20:35

Absolutely. Yeah. So I know, you know, as a parent, you're a parent. Like, I just can't imagine making that decision. It's mind boggling. So other than other the funds for that stuff. Is there anything else that you guys are, you're really needing out there right now.

Caleb Blair 20:52

Like I said, medical supplies, if you guys, either yourself or know somebody that works in the medical industry, even if they're just, you know, a front desk, receptionist, whatever it may be, if they, if they have a connection, if they are somebody that could walk into an office, even if it's their boss's boss's boss's office with a little bit of guts and a little bit of balls, right? It'd be like, Hey, I have this organization that is actively working in Ukraine and critically needs the supplies. Is there any way we could donate a few out of our out of our logistics and our supplies, they can arrange all the logistics and coordination, their 501? C three, you know, you guys will get a tax write off for the donations? Can we help them reach out to us Spanish support ukraine.org You guys can find me on Facebook and Instagram at real Caleb blur. My personal cell phone number is 845-717-8049. anybody that's watching this show you guys, you're more than welcome to hit me up my personal line and ask any questions you have. If you guys have anything that you guys can do to help us or vice versa, if you guys know people in Ukraine that need supplies that are in areas that you've heard us talking about, put them in contact with us, we'll see if

Keith McKeever 21:58

we can help them or maybe you have an idea of like, hey, you know what, maybe this will help, like, reach out, you know, and this is a good point, you know, 501 C three, this is part of Operation phantom support, which Nick Valentine. I believe he founded it, I should know that. It was my I think fifth I think it was my fifth guests on this podcast. It's been a while. But it's a great guy, you know, in operation phantom support, you know, started as a nonprofit and Fort Hood, Texas food pantry and I know he's done so many like, couldn't possibly even say all the things that he's done through the nonprofit in Fort Hood for the soldiers and, and everybody else who's stationed there. So you know, this is a legit nonprofit huge one. He's got a lot of press for things he's done in the past. And it's a no brainer that you get involved and get tied up with Nick. And and, you know, kind of make into their arm to the to the nonprofit, but I'm curious, how did all that happen? You know, partnering with them?

Caleb Blair 22:56

Yeah, I can't say enough good things about Nick. Man. He's been such a great asset to our team. It's our operation. We came together as just a group of volunteers with with no real over anything. I started to list a few things. I don't know direction. Yeah, nothing. It just happened. And so I kind of came to him. And I was like, Hey, Nick, you know, Nick through the veteran river tribe, a fantastic community of veterans. It was put together by Steven Kuhn and William bloom. I might be messing up his last name family, and I'm sorry.

Keith McKeever 23:32

No, I think I think that's it.

Caleb Blair 23:34

And I was like, Dude, I need some help. I put together this really awesome operation. We have contacts in Romania, we have trucking companies in Romania, we have a group of half dozen volunteers like we blah, blah, blah. It's like, five days in man. I mean, like, should happen quick, right? Like real quick. And so five days, and I'm like, Nick, I really like I'm in over my head here. And I needed I need like a legitimate like, boss, or like, I need to answer to somebody I need like this to have backing Right? Like, I need this to be legitimate, not just for our sake, but for the for the donors sake for the fundraising sake, right. Like, I need this to be legitimate operation and not just a group of homies out in no man's land, do whatever the fuck they want, you know? And so Nick was like, absolutely whatever we can do to help you, you know, here's everything that I have at your disposal, like, take what you need, and leave no prisoner. You know,

Keith McKeever 24:28

that totally sounds like Nick, you know, when you kind of as you're going through there, I'm like, Yeah, you know, Nick is beyond operation fan of support, but all the businesses all the things he does, you know, he's an entrepreneur as well. And like, like a problem solver. You know, he's, he's a very good business guy. And definitely a good leader. You know, I know he was a senior NCO like that take charge, like, this is the way I see it. This is what we can do. Here's my connections. Let's do it. Like, there's probably like, the perfect guy that I know to just get shit done. That's very, very Nick Valentine right there for you.

Caleb Blair 25:06

Yeah. So one of the things that he's doing now for us is we're doing a special release combat box. I don't know if you were your audience know about his combat boxes. But essentially, they have a subscription model business where it hosts other veteran entrepreneurs products. And it goes out, you pay monthly subscription each month, you get a box, no different than like your Petco box, your your wolf boxer, things like that. But we're doing a special edition 125 boxes with the best veteran own products that we can get, we're going to be doing an auction on these 25 boxes with all proceeds going to the Ukraine operation. And so this leads me into two things. Actually, you asked earlier, what people could do. Two things that this brings the opportunity in or the idea of to do number one, if you guys have a product that you guys could spare 25 of them or even just one, right, we'll have like, the number one prize box number two prize box will tear and based on like value, that's okay, it doesn't have to be 25 donations, right? If you guys have a product that you guys would be willing to donate to put in these boxes, that would be incredible. The second thing you guys can do is if you own a small business, take a product, take a service, take whatever it is that you sell that you make money with, and take it and then auction it off. Right, say so I'm a marketing agency. Here, you know what, I'll do this, and I'll let other people model it off mine. I'm going to I'm going to auction off one month of social media management for an organization. And all of the proceeds from it will go towards Operation phantom support, right? Like not just like the normal costs, but like my costs, and everything over my cost will be going towards phantom support Ukraine, you know, if you own a gun store, right, you could auction off a pistol, you could auction off a custom tear coated rifle and Ukrainian colors. Right? There's there's so many different things that each small business owner can be doing to raise funds and awareness, other than just sharing something on Facebook.

Keith McKeever 27:06

Absolutely, that's that's the target point. And every little bit helps, you know, 25 bucks here, 50 bucks there, couple 100,000. Whatever, you know,

Caleb Blair 27:15

books instead of if I recruit $5 A week reoccurring donation.

Keith McKeever 27:19

There you go. i There's a lot of nonprofits that are doing that as a great way to support one two is just that something up, you know, we have a set of Doc's

Caleb Blair 27:28

on our website, you can set up monthly reoccurring donations, even if it's small as $5.

Keith McKeever 27:33

Or you go, Wow, I'm gonna have to have a bunch of links in the show notes. Because a lot of great ideas, but you guys always get through there.

Caleb Blair 27:41

And so don't feel like it's gonna get lost between different links. Okay, all right. Cool. website. You'll see everything on there.

David Pere 27:47

All righty. That's awesome. I will put that in there. And, you know, I appreciate you coming on the show and sharing what you guys have been doing and what you're planning on doing. Because there's, this is an ongoing need, like we said earlier, yeah, I mean, this could be I could see it realistically being a generational issue, you know, it's gonna take some of those things will be much more immediate wants the fighting is over.

Keith McKeever 28:08

But but other needs in Ukraine are gonna be be there for a very, very long time. So

Caleb Blair 28:13

the history repeats itself. Look at the rest of the Baltic region. Look at the rest of Eastern Europe. Did they recover from the last time Russia broke them up? Not really.

Keith McKeever 28:21

So darn good point. And I know, you know, guys of our age, like we've seen before, see what happened in the 90s. We know what we can do to a country to a region. So yeah, they're going any loss for for a long time.

Caleb Blair 28:34

I was I spent a year in Kosovo when I was in the service when I was in the army. So it's where I went for a year, and so firsthand, kind of got to see Serbia, Albania, the civil war there, the after effects of it. And even there, 20 years later, there's still remnants of it, you know, you can we're still taking you Exos out of out of attics, we're still taking they found a jade and that was 20 years old, you know, one of my deployment that we executed, you know, it's a true it's not a stretch at all generation was not a stretch by any means.

Keith McKeever 29:08

Yeah, well, how many of you know I mean, I was never over there. But I remember going through Kuwait for my first deployment, and going from cambia camp bearing to somewhere else to get some supplies, they put us in buses, were driving down the highway, you know, and you can see the burned out remains of armored vehicles and trucks and tanks that were Iraqi from Desert Storm. They were sitting there roughing out on an old highway, and instead of doing anything about it, they just paved a new highway right next to it. You know, this is at that point in time was 20. It was like was 17 Yeah, 17 years later, 1617 years later, you know, I'm sure they're still there to this day. So, you know, those those those scars of war last for a long time. So anybody out there that can support any way, shape or form can only be dropped a lot of good. A lot of good hints. Everything will be in the show notes support where you can share this. This is normally where I say share and subscribe and like my podcast, but this is different. Let's help some people around the world. Let's share the share ideas share inspiration, let's, let's donate money. Let's do whatever we can. So make sure you share this to your friends and family. And Caleb, I appreciate you stopping by. Thank you so much Keith.